Derozan on the trading block??

[Prime BEEF]

For everyone tempted to google Fournier after all the mentions he's gotten so far,to check up on his age/stats/contract-do not google Fournier.

Friendly warning.

Geez. What a horrible last name to have. Gross

[FutureMan]

That's pretty good. The Orlando GM would definitely get fired if he traded Fournier, Gordon, and a 2nd round pick for DeRozen and Belinelli.

As a Magic fan as well. Fournier needs to come off the books ASAP. He dropped off BIG time. The GM wouldn’t get fired. MAYBE they would need to throw in that 2nd. As I stated 2 could be had from the Spurs if need be.

Agustin Fultz
DeRozan Ross (former DeRozan teammate)
Isaac Belinelli
Aminu
Vucevic Bamba

Undeniably a better team. Isaac needs more time at the 4 as well and trading Gordon gets you that.

[gambit1990]

Any updates yet?

yeah. latest update is that demar may or may not be on the trading block.

[slick'81]

yeah. latest update is that demar may or may not be on the trading block.

[Marcus Bryant]

Need an effing trade that leads to le potential not this armchair GM origami construct the most beautiful roster bull .

[r0drig0lac]

yeah he would. He went to the locker room and hugged everybody right after Kawhi took the ball from him and dunked it to win the game. Raptors just don't have anything I would want except Siakam and his salary doesn't match. Also lol at these re ed trade ideas.

If you want to trade DeRozan for a player that's better than him it's Beal. That's it. Otherwise try to get 2 SFs back and maybe a pick or another young player. So Gordon and Fournier would make sense but I don't think it'll make the team better. Only other SF I would want is Covington and that means you gotta take one of them trash contracts like Dieng back too so it doesn't make much sense salary wise. Being that most SFs were free agents this year you could get better fits at the trade deadline, but makin that type of move midseason is not really how the Spurs operate. And at that point the team might just be really good and on a top 4 seed which then makes it even more unlikely to trade him. I just don't see a lot of ways to improve the team by trading him

yep.... Porter and Hutchison for Demar + Metu

[FireMicoHalili]

At this thread. It's a microcosm of this place. The intelligent posters all realize it's a no brainer to trade him and that they'd be better off with pieces like Porter, Gordon, etc. because the pieces would fit better and it'd allow the young guards to grow. Meanwhile, the apologists/casuals think he's a legit star, shouldn't be traded for role players and that they'd be better off losing him for nothing in 1-2 years.

I got news for the latter: There's a miniscule chance of them doing better than Porter, Gordon, etc. with the '21 cap space, those types have resale value if need be and you can forget about them being a dumping ground for dead money and piling up picks because that's not how they operate.

The latter are probably afraid to trade him for nothing since PATFO gave up Leonard for him. After a year of DDR and glossing over his career, he’s (1) not a great fit and (2) is a net negative. His game is nice and his numbers are amazing but he’s the exact definition of an empty calories scorer. I had hoped the Spurs could change him overnight and he’s still the same playoff choker who suddenly loses composure behind the three-point line.

Best case scenario is the Spurs snag a comparable star like Beal, worst case is throwing him away for pieces which at least move the needle in a loaded Western Conference. I’m not sure what the DDR fans here want, the Spurs won’t extend him and he’ll lose value as his contract runs out.

[Chinook]

Jamal Murray is an all-star type player, it doesn't matter if he officially hasn't been selected to one, tbh.

Morris got 15 millions on a one year deal after the Knicks had struck out on every relevant free agent.

Oubre is a similar thing, just a two year contract (I don't know if there's a team or player option in the second one) for a team that had salary cap to spare.

Unless Murray becomes a top 2/3 option for the Spurs he's not getting anything close to 100 millions for 4 years. Get real son.

I find it mind-boggling that people have been living in this new NBA for four seasons and still don't seem to grasp modern contracts. Jamaal Murray is a near-All Star. Sure, maybe. And he's getting the max. If Murray were a near-All Star, he'd also get the max. He wouldn't get $9 Million a year less than the max. That you think a $100M/4 deal is in the same ball-park as a $170M/5 deal is just so weird. It's an obvious step or two down, and a step or two down from a near-All Star is a good player with potential that the franchise likes.

Look at it this way. In 2015, Draymond Green signed an $86M/5 deal with the Warriors. In today's money, that translates to a $108M/4 deal. I just don't know how many different ways I have to go through to show why $100 Million is a likely outcome on a four-year deal. If Murray is anything like people believe he was last year while also being a consistent double-digit scorer, he's going to get a lot of money. He doesn't have to be great to get it. He doesn't even have to be better than Gay. He just has to be good, young and show room to grown, and the Spurs will lock him up.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

The Spurs know how DD looks. They've had him for a year now.

I was referring to the young players’ development, not DD’s status. IF the young guys are set for a breakout, then I’m all for trading him.

[DAF86]

I find it mind-boggling that people have been living in this new NBA for four seasons and still don't seem to grasp modern contracts. Jamaal Murray is a near-All Star. Sure, maybe. And he's getting the max. If Murray were a near-All Star, he'd also get the max. He wouldn't get $9 Million a year less than the max. That you think a $100M/4 deal is in the same ball-park as a $170M/5 deal is just so weird. It's an obvious step or two down, and a step or two down from a near-All Star is a good player with potential that the franchise likes.

Look at it this way. In 2015, Draymond Green signed an $86M/5 deal with the Warriors. In today's money, that translates to a $108M/4 deal. I just don't know how many different ways I have to go through to show why $100 Million is a likely outcome on a four-year deal. If Murray is anything like people believe he was last year while also being a consistent double-digit scorer, he's going to get a lot of money. He doesn't have to be great to get it. He doesn't even have to be better than Gay. He just has to be good, young and show room to grown, and the Spurs will lock him up.

Draymond Green is a ing DPoY all-star.

Sure, if Murray can become a DPoY all-star he would command, not only 100 over 4 years, but probably more. The chances of him becoming that this season aren't very high, though

What kind of stats are you expecting Murray to post to get a 100/4 deal?

[slick'81]

Draymond Green is a ing DPoY all-star.

Sure, if Murray can become a DPoY all-star he would command, not only 100 over 4 years, but probably more. The chances of him becoming that this season aren't very high, though

What kind of stats are you expecting Murray to post to get a 100/4 deal?

as good as rudy gay apparently

[Chinook]

Draymond Green is a ing DPoY all-star.

Sure, if Murray can become a DPoY all-star he would command, not only 100 over 4 years, but probably more. The chances of him becoming that this season aren't very high, though

What kind of stats are you expecting Murray to post to get a 100/4 deal?

Green hadn't won DPoY or made the All-Star game when he signed that deal. He would have signed a max deal had he had those accolades back then.

It just doesn't make any sense for you or anyone else to simultaneously believe Murray will be good while also thinking he won't get $100 Million. I could go on and on with examples of decent young players whose contracts would equate to $100M-plus in today's league. Tobias Harris (not his big new deal, but the old one), Otto Porter, Zach Lavine, Derrick Favors (in 2014), Victor Oladipo (before he became good), Vucevic (his old deal, not his new one). You have a really skewed view on how good you have to be to get a deal starting at 19 percent of the cap. It's really not that hard. And this list ignores obviously dubious max deals like Wiggins or Batum and completely warranted deals like Serge Ibaka in 2012. There are other near-misses like Robin Lopez ($97M/4).

[Chinook]

as good as rudy gay apparently

Gay would have gotten that from someone had he been 24 years old rather than almost 33. Nine years ago, a worse Rudy got the equivalent of $123M/4

[MultiTroll]

Greg Pop, Patty Mills and DD
for
Nick Nurse, VanVleet, and Siakam.

Pop could add Pao Gasol to his roster.

[DAF86]

Green hadn't won DPoY or made the All-Star game when he signed that deal. He would have signed a max deal had he had those accolades back then.

It just doesn't make any sense for you or anyone else to simultaneously believe Murray will be good while also thinking he won't get $100 Million. I could go on and on with examples of decent young players whose contracts would equate to $100M-plus in today's league. Tobias Harris (not his big new deal, but the old one), Otto Porter, Zach Lavine, Derrick Favors (in 2014), Victor Oladipo (before he became good), Vucevic (his old deal, not his new one). You have a really skewed view on how good you have to be to get a deal starting at 19 percent of the cap. It's really not that hard. And this list ignores obviously dubious max deals like Wiggins or Batum and completely warranted deals like Serge Ibaka in 2012. There are other near-misses like Robin Lopez ($97M/4).

What are you expecting Murray to average to get a 100/4 deal son?

[Chinook]

What are you expecting Murray to average to get a 100/4 deal son?

I think this conversation has run its course. I've given evidence on top of evidence, and you can't seem to type a post without a laughing emoji. You clearly hadn't read the recent market and thought you had a much stronger argument than you did. No biggie. The proper response should have been, "Oh snap, I didn't realize how often contracts equating to $100M/4 are given out to non-stars. That resets my view on Murray's next deal." Instead, it's just this bull .

[DAF86]

I think this conversation has run its course. I've given evidence on top of evidence, and you can't seem to type a post without a laughing emoji. You clearly hadn't read the recent market and thought you had a much stronger argument than you did. No biggie. The proper response should have been, "Oh snap, I didn't realize how often contracts equating to $100M/4 are given out to non-stars. That resets my view on Murray's next deal." Instead, it's just this bull .

Danny Green, Marcus Morris and a bunch of other way better players than Murray got nothing close to 100/4? What are you basing your prediction on? You really haven't provided a single good example son.

[slick'81]

Danny Green, Marcus Morris and a bunch of other way better players than Murray got nothing close to 100/4? What are you basing your prediction on? You really haven't provided a single good example son.

Think he realized how stupid it sounds

[Chinook]

Danny Green, Marcus Morris and a bunch of other way better players than Murray got nothing close to 100/4? What are you basing your prediction on? You really haven't provided a single good example son.

Think he realized how stupid it sounds

Danny Green, Marcus Morris and a bunch of other way better players than Murray got nothing close to 100/4? What are you basing your prediction on? You really haven't provided a single good example son.

So if Danny Green is way better than Murray, why the do people keep acting like he matters? I'm not disagreeing that DeJounte is somewhat overrated, but you're falling into the "Murray's not good" camp. Of course, if you don't think Murray is going to be one of the top three or four players one the team, you won't think he's worth big money. But if you do think that, then you should also think he'll get $100M, because that's what such a player costs.

You are trying to shift the goalposts now. Murray doesn't have to be an All-Star to get that contract. That is the point we were debating. None of those guys I listed were stars. They were solid players who were young and thought to have potential. Some of them lived up to the potential, and others didn't. But they're all were where people in general think Murray will be.

It's weird that you're suggesting I'm some Murray lover when multiple posters accuse me of being blinded by irrational hate for the dude.

[cutewizard]

[spurs10]

So if Danny Green is way better than Murray, why the do people keep acting like he matters? I'm not disagreeing that DeJounte is somewhat overrated, but you're falling into the "Murray's not good" camp. Of course, if you don't think Murray is going to be one of the top three or four players one the team, you won't think he's worth big money. But if you do think that, then you should also think he'll get $100M, because that's what such a player costs.

You are trying to shift the goalposts now. Murray doesn't have to be an All-Star to get that contract. That is the point we were debating. None of those guys I listed were stars. They were solid players who were young and thought to have potential. Some of them lived up to the potential, and others didn't. But they're all were where people in general think Murray will be.

It's weird that you're suggesting I'm some Murray lover when multiple posters accuse me of being blinded by irrational hate for the dude.

Of course he's going to get paid. I believe his absence last season was a bigger blow than people are giving credit. Now I have not been keeping up with this thread and I'm wondering if there has been any evidence of DDR being on the block. I'd be surprised, but I guess there are scenarios that would work. Just unsubstantiated speculation...so far?

[DAF86]

So if Danny Green is way better than Murray, why the do people keep acting like he matters? I'm not disagreeing that DeJounte is somewhat overrated, but you're falling into the "Murray's not good" camp. Of course, if you don't think Murray is going to be one of the top three or four players one the team, you won't think he's worth big money. But if you do think that, then you should also think he'll get $100M, because that's what such a player costs.

You are trying to shift the goalposts now. Murray doesn't have to be an All-Star to get that contract. That is the point we were debating. None of those guys I listed were stars. They were solid players who were young and thought to have potential. Some of them lived up to the potential, and others didn't. But they're all were where people in general think Murray will be.

It's weird that you're suggesting I'm some Murray lover when multiple posters accuse me of being blinded by irrational hate for the dude.

Unless Murray becomes a top 2/3 option for the Spurs he's not getting anything close to 100 millions for 4 years. Get real son.

How am I shifting goal posts?

And, fwiw, you can expect Murray to be serviceable without being an all-star. To be really honest, my biggest expectations regarding Murray are for him to become a Pat Beverly type player. That's not worth 100/4, tbh.

Also, let's say he does become an all-star type player. The chances of him becoming that next season are slim to none. So he's not very likely to get 100/4 next offseason, no matter what you say.

[Chinook]

Of course he's going to get paid. I believe his absence last season was a bigger blow than people are giving credit. Now I have not been keeping up with this thread and I'm wondering if there has been any evidence of DDR being on the block. I'd be surprised, but I guess there are scenarios that would work. Just unsubstantiated speculation...so far?

Yeah, as far as we know, there's nothing but rumors and rumors based on rumors. Maybe there's fire, but the amount of smoke seems to be coming from boredom more than anything.

[ducks]

Trade him for russel
He fit In with Gs

[spurs10]

Yeah, as far as we know, there's nothing but rumors and rumors based on rumors. Maybe there's fire, but the amount of smoke seems to be coming from boredom more than anything.

Cool thanks....thought it was probably rumor....it's summer, what else can we talk about!