Derozan on the trading block??

[Big P]

I'm not sure the Clippers' trade was ever real. But let's slow our roll on SGA. I'm not impressed by the development of Kentucky players anyway. The Spurs weren't going to draft another point guard regardless, they just would have taken Lonnie earlier. Harris is pretty overrated.

The Spurs weren't going to accede to Kwahi's insane backstabbing demands and put him in LA. And they weren't going to start tanking. With LMA, they wanted to put another capable player beside him and went for DDR.

So why add $5 mil? The Spurs got hosed, plain and simple...you give into his "insane backstabbing" demands if it is going to better the team...seriously why do they care where he plays? He was going to wind up in LA anyway, might as well take the better offer.. and I wasn't saying we would have taken SGA, but to have the 13/14 pick instead of Poeltl, the 29th pick AND kick in $5 mil? The fo supporters will turn a blind eye, but patfo totally ed that trade up.

[Mr. Body]

So why add $5 mil? The Spurs got hosed, plain and simple...you give into his "insane backstabbing" demands if it is going to better the team...seriously why do they care where he plays? He was going to wind up in LA anyway, might as well take the better offer.. and I wasn't saying we would have taken SGA, but to have the 13/14 pick instead of Poeltl, the 29th pick AND kick in $5 mil? The fo supporters will turn a blind eye, but patfo totally ed that trade up.

I care where he plays, the FO cared where he played. Letting a brat player force himself to the city of his choosing is abhorrent. I'm not sure the LAC deal was real and I can't say it was better than the Raptors' offer, either. The Spurs already had two potential guards that could play PG/SG. They've always valued strong defensive centers. They valued DeRozan over somebody like Harris and I don't know if that's the wrong choice. Harris was a free agent at the end of the year, too, no? You gonna risk just outright losing him? And maybe SGA is actually good, but we'll see.

[John B]

Nah..there was the LA Clippers offer, (which is where he was going from the get go) of Harris/Bradley and the 13/14th pick which they took Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and that offer was way better than DD...cuckovich and the fo were vindictive and wouldn't trtade kl to where he wanted to which would have been a much better return than what we got from Toronto...so yeah, you do trade with your compe ion...every team in the NBA is compe ion and it happens every year, see Hou/OKC, the most important thing was to ship kl off to the eastern conference and that totally bit them in the ass..he got his ring and got to go home....the Spurs lost out big time and it will go down as one of the most lopsided horrible trades in nba history...the fo has definitely lost their mojo.

If the bas did not rang, we don’t have this discussion. That dip just got Forrest Gump lucky. Granted, PATFO should’ve demanded for Siakam.

[Big P]

I care where he plays, the FO cared where he played. Letting a brat player force himself to the city of his choosing is abhorrent. I'm not sure the LAC deal was real and I can't say it was better than the Raptors' offer, either. The Spurs already had two potential guards that could play PG/SG. They've always valued strong defensive centers. They valued DeRozan over somebody like Harris and I don't know if that's the wrong choice. Harris was a free agent at the end of the year, too, no? You gonna risk just outright losing him? And maybe SGA is actually good, but we'll see.

Harris is a SF which is what we needed, Bradley is nice defensive guard to replace Danny, you can pick up defensive centers for cheap now ..and if after all of that Harris and Bradley left for nothing, then we would have had cap space to pursue players or trades plus the draft picks and $5 mil we didn't have to give away...you and the fo cared where he plays, but the serious question is why? He was going to play wherever he wanted to eventually and there was nothing they could do but just delay it and try to stick it to him..the fo is always trying to look good to other FA's with bull loyalty contracts etc. and it never gets the team anywhere..literally we have signed no big time FA's besides LA and that was probably because he wanted to be close to his son...so now that they "stuck" it to KL instead of sending him where he wanted, you think that makes the fo look good in FA's eyes? Can't have it both ways...Either way patfo got cucked.

[exstatic]

Harris is a SF which is what we needed, Bradley is nice defensive guard to replace Danny, you can pick up defensive centers for cheap now ..and if after all of that Harris and Bradley left for nothing, then we would have had cap space to pursue players or trades plus the draft picks and $5 mil we didn't have to give away...you and the fo cared where he plays, but the serious question is why? He was going to play wherever he wanted to eventually and there was nothing they could do but just delay it and try to stick it to him..the fo is always trying to look good to other FA's with bull loyalty contracts etc. and it never gets the team anywhere..literally we have signed no big time FA's besides LA and that was probably because he wanted to be close to his son...so now that they "stuck" it to KL instead of sending him where he wanted, you think that makes the fo look good in FA's eyes? Can't have it both ways...Either way patfo got cucked.

So, you would LITERALLY rather have nothing than two years of DD, Poeltl, and Keldon? God, you’re a re . .

[Big P]

Don't get butthurt when someone disagrees with you...throwing insults..you sound like a lib.

[Big P]

We wouldn't have anything? We would have cap space, the draft pick(s) and we could have drafted Keldon at 19.

[exstatic]

Don't get butthurt when someone disagrees with you...throwing insults..you sound like a lib.

Ah, a Trump . That explains the lack of focus or any point at all.

[Big P]

Ah, a Trump . That explains the lack of focus or any point at all.

So I was right...got it.

[exstatic]

We wouldn't have anything? We would have cap space, the draft pick(s) and we could have drafted Keldon at 19.

You just said no FAs would come here! Why do we need cap room?

[goliath]

The rumored clipper offer is the most overrated scenario on this board. Harris was a free agent. We would have had to max him out and spurs fans would and moan about maxing a boarderline all star or we let him walk and spurs fans would and moan about trading kawhi for a one year rental.

The two picks wouldn’t have added much. We wouldn’t have drafted SGA. We already had a preinjury Murray and white at point guard. Rumor was the spurs had LWIII as a late lottery pick so one of those picks likely have been LWIII anyways.

So the clipper trade basically amounted to a one year rental of Harris and one pick.

[EricB]

Wonder if it's more the Spurs not wanting to lock him up long-term or them being impressed with Lonnie's progression. Either way I'm good.

Both.

[EricB]

I find it hard to believe that the Spurs couldn't do better than DD, Turdle, and ONE measly late first rounder for Kawhi.

Believe it. That was the best offered. No team wanted Leonard on a rental and to give up significant assets. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

[EricB]

Spurs should've got the Raptors 2020 pick as well in the deal knowing nephew would leave them and they will be a much worse team. It wasn't rocket science to predict that

You cant trade consecutive year draft picks.

[tbdog]

Believe it. That was the best offered. No team wanted Leonard on a rental and to give up significant assets. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Exactly. Clippers rumour was the best we saw that got leaked and imo it was worse than the Toronto deal. Clippers didn't want to be second fiddle to Lakers. That was their incentive. Celtics rumour was Smart was their best player offered. Lakers apparently had Deng on the table and one asset. Sixers didn't want to even include Fultz. No one else was rumoured to be bidding.

[EricB]

Exactly. Clippers rumour was the best we saw that got leaked and imo it was worse than the Toronto deal. Clippers didn't want to be second fiddle to Lakers. That was their incentive. Celtics rumour was Smart was their best player offered. Lakers apparently had Deng on the table and one asset. Sixers didn't want to even include Fultz. No one else was rumoured to be bidding.

The Clippers offer was Harris and one pick. That’s it.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I find it hard to believe that the Spurs couldn't do better than DD, Turdle, and ONE measly late first rounder for Kawhi.

Exactly

Don't forget RC throwing in an extra 5mil in cuck money

Talk about insult to injury....they actually paid Toronto to take him and got bent over in the process.

if this is true, spurs are more stupid than i thought

Don't forget we also agreed to a further cucking by agreeing to the Toronto top 20 protected pick demand.

[EricB]

Don't forget we also agreed to a further cucking by agreeing to the Toronto top 20 protected pick demand.

Because they knew there was no way with the weak east and how good they were they’d be under it. You guys have zero clue what leverage is. What. So. Ever.

[RC_Drunkford]

You cant trade consecutive year draft picks.

yeah true my bad. 2021 then, but it made a lot of sense to take a future 1st when nephew is off the team. Would be a nice asset to throw in a trade too. The Harris deal is overrated, Harris is a empty stats player who demands max money and can't defend

[Chillen]

Believe it. That was the best offered. No team wanted Leonard on a rental and to give up significant assets. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Kawhi hurt the Spurs franchise long term by wanting out but I am glad it worked out for Raptors and they got an NBA le out of it. Sure Spurs should have gotten more for Kawhi but he was going to go to either Lakers or Clippers all along even after winning an NBA le it wasn't enough to get him to stay. Dude was dead set on playing in LA market no matter. I think teams made the right call on Kawhi. Spurs did get fleeced though but Raptors just have Lowry now and he left them in the cold without defending the NBA le he had just won. Very weak tbh. Yes it was worth it for Raptors but not long term everything went right for them in the 2019 playoffs though. If he had stayed I think they would have had a good chance at winning it all again that team had good chemistry. Dude never wanted to be there though even if everything went perfectly and he played his ass off for them.

[spurspl]

The rumored clipper offer is the most overrated scenario on this board. Harris was a free agent. We would have had to max him out and spurs fans would and moan about maxing a boarderline all star or we let him walk and spurs fans would and moan about trading kawhi for a one year rental.

The two picks wouldn’t have added much. We wouldn’t have drafted SGA. We already had a preinjury Murray and white at point guard. Rumor was the spurs had LWIII as a late lottery pick so one of those picks likely have been LWIII anyways.

So the clipper trade basically amounted to a one year rental of Harris and one pick.

i wouldnt mind to give him max, hes only 26 and can still improve. im convinced that he’d become a ~25ppg, ~10rpg with ~40% from 3 easily under our coaches. Find me a better player.
U can always pick SGA and trade him or another our guard for a center or pf.

[YGWHI]

We would have had to max him out and spurs fans would and moan about maxing a boarderline all star or we let him walk and spurs fans would and moan about trading kawhi for a one year rental.

Spurs fans here get mad after Kawhi's departure but they would about "load management" if Kawhi would have stayed and signed the supermax..."WTF??$220 and he can' play a single back to back in the season??"

Spurs fans on ST dislike Derozan but they would about getting talented young guys for Kawhi "who's this Siakim Siakam whatever? another raw, skinny kid??"

We would about any Spurs' move. Good, bad...it doesn't matter we would about...

[Keepin' it real]

Believe it. That was the best offered. No team wanted Leonard on a rental and to give up significant assets. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

is why

[spurspl]

Spurs fans here get mad after Kawhi's departure but they would about "load management" if Kawhi would have stayed and signed the supermax..."WTF??$220 and he can' play a single back to back in the season??"

Spurs fans on ST dislike Derozan but they would about getting talented young guys for Kawhi "who's this Siakim Siakam whatever? another raw, skinny kid??"

We would about any Spurs' move. Good, bad...it doesn't matter we would about...

only blind people would about getting Siakam

[YGWHI]

only blind people would about getting Siakam

I guess you don't read Spurstalk that often...In 2018 offseason most people here where OG Anunoby>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siakam