What was up with the back to back MVPs tbh? Was he really that good? His stats look pedestrian just by giving them a quick look. I was 14/15 then and wasn't a basketball fan yet so just curious.
His MVPs were like Curry's back to back MVPs in which he wouldn't have won the first one if you switch the order of the seasons. In each case, they were based on first timers being "valuable" in overall team success but not necessarily being dominant.
He was the ; he deserved the first MVP for sure. I HATED him back then because Spurs homer, but he was clearly the best player in the league. Keep in mind only a handful of guards have won MVP before him, but there was no way Shaq should have won MVP that year or even Tim Duncan for that matter.
He was a white North American player putting up nice stats on a team that was the media darling at the time. Old white sportswriters gave him Shaq and LeBron's MVPs because they could relate to him.
Lebron was not all that and Shaq was a past-prime stat stuffer. Love hearing Shaq cry about getting robbed.
Nash had eye popping 3 percentages. If he had been chucking like Curry would we even be having this conversation?
- NBA was in an "unwatchable" defensive Era. Still reeling from Kobe rape trail in 2003 and the Pistons/Pacers brawl in 2004
- in 2005 Nash joins a 29 win Suns team and leads them to a blistering 62 wins
- in 2006 Amare goes down 3 games into the season but Suns still win 50+ games
So it was a case of certain cir stance. But the inconvinent truth is Nash revolutionised the NBA more than Curry
Last edited by FrostKing; 07-27-2019 at 05:14 PM.
Not like it was worse than Westbrook and Harden winning MVPs.
I was only 16-17 but I felt he deserved it at the time. At least the first one. He was the system and turned them into legitimate le contenders, imo.
Still better than Porker
To a racist.
The RS MVP is based largely on a couple things:
1. How your team does with you
2. How your team does without you
When Steve was playing, his team was winning a lot of RS games. When he was injured, they suffered. This made him a lock for the MVP. He owes a great deal to Amare, Bell and Diaw for his success, but they owe him as well. Unlike autistic boy, he was notorious for playing through injury.
Steph won because he destroyed anyone guarding him. He shot the 3 so often and so well that he didn't even have to play defense. It helps to have another world class 3pt shooter next to you.
When KD won, Russ was injured and KD had good success running the team with Reggie Jackson at the point.
Lately it's been whomever stat pads the hardest though. It's become a gimmicky RS goal for non-contending stars. OKC took it to absurdity, the entire team was complicit.
Like that's debatable
Yeah. Not like the Rockets were in the lottery before Harden arrived.
And what was Phoenix before Nash??
Nash was the . He got A LOT of dudes paid. Also ruined several people’s carers bc he was such a good point guard that his teammates were just used to being spoon fed and when they left him they were like, wait what? I have to create my own shot now???
Lol I got to a huge argument back on the ESPN message boards with some dude telling him that the Shawn Marion was overrated and would be nothing offensively without Nash. He kept saying, well he scored 18 a game before Nash was ever a Sun so he didn’t need Nash to score. But I was trying to tell him that after 4 years of getting spoon fed by Nash he forgot how to play create your own shot offense and he would struggle as a number 2 or higher on a team. He was then traded to Miami and never really heard from again as far as being an All Star
The team thing is a narrative the media certainly likes to spin when it suits them. (Of course, it's a half truth at best, or a guy like Manu would've often been in the top ten in voting).
Truth is they finally would've given Kobe his first MVP for averaging 31 and hitting a min 45 win mark in the tougher conference; but Lebron sitting on 31 with better stats and a team sitting on 50 in the albeit weaker conference wasn't going to fly. And people were not eager to give it to stat stuffer, shortcut taker James in his third year over more deserving vets.
Funnily enough, if the media had just given Kobe that MVP, they wouldn't have had to have stolen KG's MVP in 08 to give him his lifetime achievement award.
He was 50-40-90 I think and the clear reason the SSOL Suns won all those regular season games. Changed the league too, as Pop stole a bunch of that stuff to win in '07 with pick n rolls all day, and also used the strats to make the Beautiful Game '13-'15 teams. Then Kerr stole Pop's game and made the chucking Dubs. But Nash, Marion, A'''''''''Mare started it all basically.
The guys who really stole awards in those days were Camby with DPOY over Duncan, and Ben Wallace with DPOYs over Duncan. Both would get routinely dominated by Duncan when the teams played against each other. But Stern hated the Spurs like no other, so the Spurs didn't get recognition the way guys like Kawhi did later. If Kawhi got 2 DPOYs then Duncan, Robinson, Bowen should have gotten 6.
Yup. I was the first to do 50-40-90 in 86-87. And I had 28-9-8-2-1 while leading my team to the best record in the non-fluff conference. But the league marketers decided that Magic's 20 percent from three was more important for his first MVP instead of giving me what would've been my fourth in a row.
Then for good measures, I was 50-40-90 in the next season (87-88). And I did it while upping my scoring to 29.9 while beating out Isiah's Pistons and Pippen's Bulls for another EC crown. But stat stuffer Michael Jordan and his 13.2 3FG was more deserving according to the marketers. I guess they somehow didn't watch me sweep him out of the playoffs in the two previous seasons.
If it wasn't for that nonsense, I'd have had MVPs in five straight seasons.
MVP has always been a narrative driven award. Nash took a trash team to 60+ wins and ushered in the SSOL Suns at a time the NBA was dominated by defensive juggernaut teams. Shaq had a case too but i remember a point in the 2005 season that Nash went down with an injury and sat out for a bit and the Suns couldnt win without him, and that sealed the narrative for him. in the 2006 the fact that he lost Amare stoudemire and kept the Suns near the top of the conference was pretty impressive, and the league wasnt giving the MVP to the rapist because his team was trash
Kobe Bryant.. Basketball Therapist
yeah, MVP will always go to the guy who does 1 of 4 things...
1) Turn a team completely around by himself
2) Be far and away the best player on the best team
3) Have a team near the top of the standings when they're decimated with injuries
4) have a historic, record breaking individual season
He did 1) in 2004-05 and 3) in 05-06 when nobody else really fit any of the other criteria
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