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    All killings of kids are bad imo!
    Gee ducks what a hardball opinion.

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    Gun laws have gotten stronger year after year and the frequency of mass shootings goes undeterred. It’s definitely one over the other. People are way more ed up now, the question is why. Figure that out, address it, and then you’ll finally see a drop in frequency.
    crazy guys are indeed dangerous. crazy guys with assault rifles are even more dangerous. it's not an either/or

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    crazy guys are indeed dangerous. crazy guys with assault rifles are even more dangerous. it's not an either/or
    I don’t believe there’s ever been a mass shooting with an assault rifle.

    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?

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    I don’t believe there’s ever been a mass shooting with an assault rifle.

    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
    not interested in a conversation of technical jargon. you know what i meant, given the weapons used in mass shootings in recent years.

    so i'll restate

    crazy guys are indeed dangerous. crazy guys with AR-15's (or weapons of similar function) are even more dangerous

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    I don’t believe there’s ever been a mass shooting with an assault rifle.

    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
    I’m not sure about that. I do think news spread quicker/wider now.

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    I don’t believe there’s ever been a mass shooting with an assault rifle.
    And now we will get bogged down in technicalities and jargon.

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    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
    Did we always have five guns for every four people in the US?

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    I’m not sure about that. I do think news spread quicker/wider now.
    Wikipedia lists a total of 15 mass shootings for the entire decade of the 70s.

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    not interested in a conversation of technical jargon. you know what i meant, given the weapons used in mass shootings in recent years.

    so i'll restate

    crazy guys are indeed dangerous. crazy guys with AR-15's (or weapons of similar function) are even more dangerous
    Ok.

    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?

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    Ok.

    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
    its a legitimate question. i don't think gun control is a one size fits all concern. i would maybe start with making mental health more accessible and cheaper. cutting federal funding to said programs, or scaling back funding to the national ins ute of health, is probably a poor start. but you actually have to propose a plan and enact it. not just vaguely say "we have to address mental health" and end the conversation

    as long as we have crazy people around, i'd rather they weren't so easily armed with weapons that are designed to kill as many people as possible. if we've reached a time where all such concerns have been addressed, laxing regulation could be revisited

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    Ok.

    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
    Back in the 70s, 50% of households owned guns. Now it's hovering around 30%, so the insanity is more concentrated in the households with guns.

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    A government with the power to enforce all gun laws (indeed, any kind of law) everywhere might interfere intolerably in everyday life.

    Any government with the power and the will to enforce conformity with law everywhere, conduces to general unfreedom.

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    A government with the power to enforce all gun laws (indeed, any kind of law) everywhere might interfere intolerably in everyday life.

    Any government with the power and the will to enforce conformity with law everywhere, conduces to general unfreedom.
    I live in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and I’ve never felt my everyday life interfered with...minus not being able to easily get a CCW, but I choose to stay where I’m at.

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    Ok.

    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
    It's a sign of the culture and times we live in. Every law and policy put in place since then should, hypothetically, make everything "safer", the trend is going the other way. We're a society that likes to do what we want to do and don't want to accept it. It's easier to blame something rather than the entirety that is "us".

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    its a legitimate question. i don't think gun control is a one size fits all concern. i would maybe start with making mental health more accessible and cheaper. cutting federal funding to said programs, or scaling back funding to the national ins ute of health, is probably a poor start. but you actually have to propose a plan and enact it. not just vaguely say "we have to address mental health" and end the conversation

    as long as we have crazy people around, i'd rather they weren't so easily armed with weapons that are designed to kill as many people as possible. if we've reached a time where all such concerns have been addressed, laxing regulation could be revisited
    Easiest to start with would be a blackout on media coverage. Report the incident, don’t name the shooter, don’t show shooter’s face, don’t show coverage of the shooting. Basically don’t make them famous. School shooters taken alive have basically admitted to masturbating to the Columbine videos.

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    It's a sign of the culture and times we live in. Every law and policy put in place since then should, hypothetically, make everything "safer", the trend is going the other way. We're a society that likes to do what we want to do and don't want to accept it. It's easier to blame something rather than the entirety that is "us".
    Agreed

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    I live in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and I’ve never felt my everyday life interfered with...minus not being able to easily get a CCW, but I choose to stay where I’m at.
    I live here too. Since moving here, I've ac ulated (100% legally) an AK (x2), an SKS, a Mac 11 and had a Mac 9 (sold to get the 11) and a pistol grip shotgun. Nothing was hard beyond being impatient and waiting the 5 or 7 days you have to wait to pick your gun up. I've shot the out of them and I've zero inclination to ever threaten anyone unless threatened first.

    Even trading/selling legally is pretty easy here. Looking to trade one of the AKs possibly for a BAR. But, yeah, pretty simple and standard stuff to be packing here.

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    I live in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and I’ve never felt my everyday life interfered with...minus not being able to easily get a CCW, but I choose to stay where I’m at.
    It's a balancing act between liberty and piblic order.

    Expecting all gun laws to be enforced without fail isn't a realistic expectation, nor is it even desirable, IMO.

    Governments shouldn't have that much power.

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    It's a sign of the culture and times we live in. Every law and policy put in place since then should, hypothetically, make everything "safer", the trend is going the other way. We're a society that likes to do what we want to do and don't want to accept it. It's easier to blame something rather than the entirety that is "us".
    The trend for what? Firearm homicides have been trending down for decades.

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    I live here too. Since moving here, I've ac ulated (100% legally) an AK (x2), an SKS, a Mac 11 and had a Mac 9 (sold to get the 11) and a pistol grip shotgun. Nothing was hard beyond being impatient and waiting the 5 or 7 days you have to wait to pick your gun up. I've shot the out of them and I've zero inclination to ever threaten anyone unless threatened first.

    Even trading/selling legally is pretty easy here. Looking to trade one of the AKs possibly for a BAR. But, yeah, pretty simple and standard stuff to be packing here.
    California has had a 10 day waiting period since I started buying guns and that was over a decade ago.

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    California requires a written gun test to acquire a gun, which I think is an affront to the second amendment. And it doesn't stop these liberal ins ution outcast psychos from killing.

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    California requires a written gun test to acquire a gun, which I think is an affront to the second amendment. And it doesn't stop these liberal ins ution outcast psychos from killing.
    How many guns you got?

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    California has had a 10 day waiting period since I started buying guns and that was over a decade ago.
    Yeah, there you go. Whatever the it is, it's the "worst" part of getting guns here.

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    Ok.

    Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

    Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
    There's some "crazy" conspiracy theories out there about that.

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    The trend for what? Firearm homicides have been trending down for decades.
    That's not what we were talking about. Feel free to back track a few posts.

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