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    Abe Lincoln was the king of free . Homestead Act, Land Grant Universities, universal education, civil rights for all, public infrastructure and more.

    No wonder the GOP started so strong.
    A lot of posters harp on the Dems being the party of KKK and white supremacy, but seem unwilling to face the free , activist, "national greatness" Republicans of the 19th century -- and , the Teddy Roosevelt progressives too -- as well as the 20th century realignment.

    Why is that?

    Abe Lincoln corresponded with Karl Marx and in a friendly fashion.
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    They exchanged personal letters, but I don't see 21st century Republicans -- or Denocrats, for that matter -- bragging about that.

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    In fact, 21st century Republicans most resemble the white supremacist Dems of the 19th century and early 20th century, railing against activist government, public goods, and civil rights for everybody.
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    They damn sure don't want all US citizens to vote or be represented.

    There's only one party trying to make it harder for US citizens to vote and be represented.

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    NYC excepted. That 's ed up too.

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    “It is fascinating that Mueller, who Democrats have spent two years making the centerpiece of their efforts to undermine the President, was con uously missing from last night’s debate,” Barron said.
    Mueller is republican. Should he primary trump?

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    I'll say it again. People call AOC's Green New Deal socialist, but it derives rhetorically and substantively fron TR's "The New Nationalism" address.

    https://teachingamericanhistory.org/...nalism-speech/

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    Natural conservation as the moral equivalent of war:

    be used for the benefit of all our people, and not monopolized for the benefit of the few, and here again is another case in which I am accused of taking a revolutionary at ude. People forget now that one hundred years ago there were public men of good character who advocated the nation selling its public lands in great quan ies, so that the nation could get the most money out of it, and giving it to the men who could cultivate it for their own uses. We took the proper democratic ground that the land should be granted in small sections to the men who were actually to till it and live on it. Now, with the water power, with the forests, with the mines, we are brought face to face with the fact that there are many people who will go with us in conserving the resources only if they are to be allowed to exploit them for their benefit. That is one of the fundamental reasons why the special interests should be driven out of politics. Of all the questions which can come before this nation, short of the actual preservation of its existence in a great war, there is none which compares in importance with the great central task of leaving this land even a better land for our descendants than it is for us, and training them into a better race to inhabit the land and pass it on. Conservation is a great moral issue, for it involves the patriotic duty of insuring the safety and continuance of the nation. Let me add that the health and vitality of our people are at least as well worth conserving as their forests, waters, lands, and minerals, and in this great work the national government must bear a most important part.

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    Preponderance of property over labor and social justice:

    Nothing is more true than that excess of every kind is followed by reaction; a fact which should be pondered by reformer and reactionary alike. We are face to face with new conceptions of the relations of property to human welfare, chiefly because certain advocates of the rights of property as against the rights of men have been pushing their claims too far. The man who wrongly holds that every human right is secondary to his profit must now give way to the advocate of human welfare, who rightly maintains that every man holds his property subject to the general right of the community to regulate its use to whatever degree the public welfare may require it.

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    Read it, AOC is derivative from TR.

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    The progressivism of 100 years ago only seems radical because we've regressed so far past it. Trump and his judicial scions are trying to bring back the legal milieu of the late 19th-early 20th century, the Lochner and Plessy v Ferguson era.

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    This is what the "deconstruction of the administrative state" means, among other things.

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    Trump is the worst President since Woodrow Wilson and approaches him already for harm to the republic and the people.

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    Trump is the worst President since Woodrow Wilson and approaches him already for harm to the republic and the people.
    Mkay have you gone to joe30303.com and made your donation?

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    They exchanged personal letters, but I don't see 21st century Republicans -- or Denocrats, for that matter -- bragging about that.
    Karl had many points right, and he correctly described much of 21st century USA, esp the wealthy crushing the non-wealthy.

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    LOL ClearChannel and Fox News not being the media.

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    Progressives Crush Moderates (Republican lites) At First Democratic Debate

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    Yep, that's Holder, has blood on it from when he sent those tanks into Waco.

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    Progressives Crush Moderates (Republican lites) At First Democratic Debate
    Both these Tired Old Bags are finished. No Presidency for them. They can stand over there with Hillary.

    ha, ha.

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    I had missed this one


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    Mkay have you gone to joe30303.com and made your donation?
    Biden is the worst possible choice for the Dems. A vote for Biden is a vote for a second Trump term

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    its pretty odd to slam a prosecutor for prosecuting people

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    Propagandists Are Freaking Out Over Gabbard’s Destruction Of Harris -->

    War is the glue that holds the empire together. A politician can get away with opposing some aspects of the status quo when it comes to healthcare or education, but war as a strategy for maintaining global dominance is strictly off limits. This is how you tell the difference between someone who actually wants to change things and someone who’s just going through the motions for show; the real rebels forcefully oppose the actual pillars of empire by calling for an end to military bloodshed, while the performers just stick to the safe subjects.
    The shrill, hysterical pushback that Gabbard received last night was very encouraging, because it means she’s forcing them to fight back.

    Whoever controls the narrative controls the world. Whoever disrupts that narrative control is doing the real work.

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