The Radicalization of White Males..

[apalisoc_9]

We've tried to keep away from the real problem citing

"Mental Problems"
"Lone Wolf"

As reasons for mass shooting, but it's fairly obvious mass shooters share a very common idelogy.

- The Fear of ethnic minorities taking over what they perceive as their own land
- The Fear of Muslims or other religious backgrounds to take over acceptable white ideologies such as christianity or Nazism

This is an Ideology issue.

Let's stop blaming this on Guns. The Guns have nothing to do with this. Guns were accessible way before these but it was mever this bad.

[midnightpulp]

We've tried to keep away from the real problem citing

"Mental Problems"
"Lone Wolf"

As reasons for mass shooting, but it's fairly obvious mass shooters share a very common idelogy.

- The Fear of ethnic minorities taking over what they perceive as their own land
- The Fear of Muslims or other religious backgrounds to take over acceptable white ideologies such as christianity or Nazism

This is an Ideology issue.

Let's stop blaming this on Guns. The Guns have nothing to do with this. Guns were accessible way before these but it was mever this bad.

Mental problems are definitely a factor, the driving factor most likely. Those with psychological and social problems are much easier to radicalize than those without. The mass shooter profile is often an unmarried, unemployed or underemployed, male in his late teens to early 30s who is bitter at the world. Before the Internet/Cable news, this type would just off themselves, going out with the proverbial "whimper." Columbine coincided with the rise of the 24/7 cable news cycle and broke the mold. Now depressed, disgruntled individuals found a way to get back at the world and leave it with the proverbial "bang." A mass shooting allows them a sense of power, control, and notoriety they've never had in their lives before they die or get captured.

I believe many of these mass shooters really don't care about a "cause." They just want to wreak havoc for havoc's sake, but if they pen some asinine manifesto beforehand, they know they'll receive more infamy. The Internet plays a huge role here in spreading that infamy faster than even before, especially with the proliferation and ubiquity of social media. The mass shooter plans his act knowing full well he'll be the center of attention for a week or more. In the past (pre-cable news), if there was a mass shooting, a brief report would show up on your local 11 o'clock news and they would move on to the next story. Now these events are incessantly covered. And holes like the Chans, et al have exalted these psychos as anti-heroes.

I've always said a solution to this epidemic is going to require a multifaceted approach that enacts reasonable gun control (i.e. age limits, stricter licensing procedures, etc), improvement in mental health care, and probably most importantly, a fundamental change in America's collective cultural mentality. It's ingrained into us at a very early age that if you're not wealthy, talented, and attractive, you're essentially a worthless piece of . It's not surprising the vast majority of these shooters are single "incel" types without much going for them in those 3 areas.

I don't say this to laugh at them, but to illustrate what Americans place value on. If we "value" other things besides money, sex, and "talent," maybe these incels would find positive things worth living for. As it stands, they reflect on their lives that lack wealth, a sex life, and career opportunity, and basically say " it," because again, we're taught those are the only things in life that matter.

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Sooner or later a non white has to be in the jackpot.

[apalisoc_9]

Mental problems are definitely a factor, the driving factor most likely. Those with psychological and social problems are much easier to radicalize than those without. The mass shooter profile is often an unmarried, unemployed or underemployed, male in his late teens to early 30s who is bitter at the world. Before the Internet/Cable news, this type would just off themselves, going out with the proverbial "whimper." Columbine coincided with the rise of the 24/7 cable news cycle and broke the mold. Now depressed, disgruntled individuals found a way to get back at the world and leave it with the proverbial "bang." A mass shooting allows them a sense of power, control, and notoriety they've never had in their lives before they die or get captured.

I believe many of these mass shooters really don't care about a "cause." They just want to wreak havoc for havoc's sake, but if they pen some asinine manifesto beforehand, they know they'll receive more infamy. The Internet plays a huge role here in spreading that infamy faster than even before, especially with the proliferation and ubiquity of social media. The mass shooter plans his act knowing full well he'll be the center of attention for a week or more. In the past (pre-cable news), if there was a mass shooting, a brief report would show up on your local 11 o'clock news and they would move on to the next story. Now these events are incessantly covered. And holes like the Chans, et al have exalted these psychos as anti-heroes.

I've always said a solution to this epidemic is going to require a multifaceted approach that enacts reasonable gun control (i.e. age limits, stricter licensing procedures, etc), improvement in mental health care, and probably most importantly, a fundamental change in America's collective cultural mentality. It's ingrained into us at a very early age that if you're not wealthy, talented, and attractive, you're essentially a worthless piece of . It's not surprising the vast majority of these shooters are single "incel" types without much going for them in those 3 areas.

I don't say this to laugh at them, but to illustrate what Americans place value on. If we "value" other things besides money, sex, and "talent," maybe these incels would find positive things worth living for. As it stands, they reflect on their lives that lack wealth, a sex life, and career opportunity, and basically say " it," because again, we're taught those are the only things in life that matter.

That's a cop out.

If it's mental problem to have similar ideologies as your average right extremist, then we might as well call half of the american population re ed.

I don't deny that an unhealthy mind is a factor.

But if you are seating there not aknwoledging the widespread rhetoric A large portion of white Males spread on a daily basis against minorities and muslims contributing heavily if not the main contributor to these mental problems, you're part of the problem.

We might as well call ISIS mentally troubled too right?

[midnightpulp]

Sooner or later a non white has to be in the jackpot.

Virginia Beach not too long ago. Why does it matter though, Cub?

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Virginia Beach not too long ago. Why does it matter though, Cub?

It matters when the shooter is white, so, it matters when he's non-white.

[midnightpulp]

That's a cop out.

If it's mental problem to have similar ideologies as your average right extremist, then we might as well call half of the american population re ed.

I don't deny that an unhealthy mind is a factor.

But if you are seating there not aknwoledging the widespread rhetoric A large portion of white Males spread on a daily basis against minorities and muslims contributing heavily if not the main contributor to these mental problems, you're part of the problem.

We might as well call ISIS mentally troubled too right?

Yes. ISIS knows what kind of personality types to recruit. Same model. Disgruntled, angry men who have nothing. Tell these types that the West is behind all of their woes, and voila, you get a radical. Same thing here. Tell these disgruntled white males that immigrants are the bane of their existence, and you get a radical. My thought is that the rhetoric and radicalization are only a parts of the problem, and that mental health really is the driving factor. If we all lived in racial harmony, a person like this would just find something else to center a "cause" around. It's not as simple as eliminate the rhetoric, and you'll eliminate these events. These are fundamentally unstable individuals who are just looking for a reason. If they don't find it in racism, they'll find it somewhere else.

[midnightpulp]

It matters when the shooter is white, so, it matters when he's non-white.

Well yeah, who cares about the race of the shooter. It shouldn't matter. But if your concern here is media balance, Fox News skirts a bit when the shooter is white/conservative, while MSNBC skirts when the shooter is a person-of-color/Muslim. Why not just tune out media? "They" win when you give them your ratings point and clicks.

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Well yeah, who cares about the race of the shooter. It shouldn't matter. But if your concern here is media balance, Fox News skirts a bit when the shooter is white/conservative, while MSNBC skirts when the shooter is a person-of-color/Muslim. Why not just tune out media? "They" win when you give them your ratings point and clicks.

...no. I ain't tuning out Media. I like seeing them suffer at the election of Trump. I ain't missing a second of it.

[midnightpulp]

...no. I ain't tuning out Media. I like seeing them suffer at the election of Trump. I ain't missing a second of it.

Cub, they ain't suffering.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ri...dow-net-worth/

They play up the suffering and outrage to get ratings from people who want to see them suffering and outraged.

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Cub, they ain't suffering.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ri...dow-net-worth/

They play up the suffering and outrage to get ratings from people who want to see them suffering and outraged.

I don't see it that way. I've said it many times= they get no bites at the apple at the Trump victory in '16. Sure, they get to rip him up on a daily basis, but, at the end of the daily day he's President & Clinton ain't.

This is as good as it's gonna get & it will never get this good again.

I'm marinatin' in it.

[Splits]

[midnightpulp]

Funny thing is that when conservatives invoke mental illness as cause (which it is, no matter the race of the shooter) in order to deflect from gun control debate, the dip s still offer no solutions, since any potential solution would require, oh my, raising taxes! Or at the very least diverting it away from their beloved military. When Reagan slashed mental health care funding in 1980, the money there was earmarked for military spending.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental...ms_Act_of_1980

http://vm136.lib.berkeley.edu/BANC/R...iationact.html

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 (OBRA 1981 or Gramm-Latta II) and the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 (ERTA 1981 or the Kemp-Roth Tax Cut) comprised the first budget of the administration of Ronald Reagan (for FY82). Together the two bills established Reagan's fiscal priorities as tax cuts, reductions in domestic discretionary spending, and increased military spending.

[Xevious]

Regardless of what prejudices they are raised with, or what political or religious ideologies they subscribe to... well adjusted, healthy men do not kill a bunch of people completely unprovoked. You can call it radicalization or whatever, but of course mental health plays a role.

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Fart-face.

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Funny thing is that when conservatives invoke mental illness as cause (which it is, no matter the race of the shooter) in order to deflect from gun control debate, the dip s still offer no solutions, since any potential solution would require, oh my, raising taxes! Or at the very least diverting it away from their beloved military. When Reagan slashed mental health care funding in 1980, the money there was earmarked for military spending.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental...ms_Act_of_1980

http://vm136.lib.berkeley.edu/BANC/R...iationact.html

& I done told the old man early this morn:::Replying to @realDonaldTrump


Understood, but, do not, DO NOT sign any bill involving gunsPERIOD

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Regardless of what prejudices they are raised with, or what political or religious ideologies they subscribe to... well adjusted, healthy men do not kill a bunch of people completely unprovoked. You can call it radicalization or whatever, but of course mental health plays a role.

...just like it does with BLM & Antifa.

[midnightpulp]

Regardless of what prejudices they are raised with, or what political or religious ideologies they subscribe to... well adjusted, healthy men do not kill a bunch of people completely unprovoked. You can call it radicalization or whatever, but of course mental health plays a role.

Yep. And to allow firearm purchase at 18 is also lunacy. 18 isn't an adult and is an age that was basically picked out of a hat to match the age when children graduate from high school. The brain isn't fully developed until 25. My first gun control "law" would make 25 the age minimum. I'll just spitball a guess, but I would say about 70 percent of shooters are under 25. Conservatives have responded to this by saying, "well, you can join the military at age 18, so..." 18 year olds shouldn't be allowed to join the military, either, at least in infantry roles. Think of how many jobs require a 4 year degree and job experience before they'll consider hiring you. The same standards should be applied to military recruitment. An 18 year old isn't mature enough to handle the immense responsibility and psychological impact that military service requires. Or at the very least, restrict combat roles to 25.

[baseline bum]

& I done told the old man early this morn:::Replying to @realDonaldTrump


Understood, but, do not, DO NOT sign any bill involving gunsPERIOD

He already made peoples' guns illegal when he banned bump stocks.

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Yep. And to allow firearm purchase at 18 is also lunacy. 18 isn't an adult and is an age that was basically picked out of a hat to match the age when children graduate from high school. The brain isn't fully developed until 25. My first gun control "law" would make 25 the age minimum. I'll just spitball a guess, but I would say about 70 percent of shooters are under 25. Conservatives have responded to this by saying, "well, you can join the military at age 18, so..." 18 year olds shouldn't be allowed to join the military, either, at least in infantry roles. Think of how many jobs require a 4 year degree and job experience before they'll consider hiring you. The same standards should be applied to military recruitment. An 18 year old isn't mature enough to handle the immense responsibility and psychological impact that military service requires. Or at the very least, restrict combat roles to 25.

You can't expect to give a citizen the vote & curtail him otherwise.

[baseline bum]

Yep. And to allow firearm purchase at 18 is also lunacy. 18 isn't an adult and is an age that was basically picked out of a hat to match the age when children graduate from high school. The brain isn't fully developed until 25. My first gun control "law" would make 25 the age minimum. I'll just spitball a guess, but I would say about 70 percent of shooters are under 25. Conservatives have responded to this by saying, "well, you can join the military at age 18, so..." 18 year olds shouldn't be allowed to join the military, either, at least in infantry roles. Think of how many jobs require a 4 year degree and job experience before they'll consider hiring you. The same standards should be applied to military recruitment. An 18 year old isn't mature enough to handle the immense responsibility and psychological impact that military service requires. Or at the very least, restrict combat roles to 25.

That's not going to work in a nation that must continually kill brown people to justify the money wasted for our national offense. Gotta have cheap kids to sacrifice overseas.

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That's not going to work in a nation that must continually kill brown people to justify the money wasted for our national offense. Gotta have cheap kids to sacrifice overseas.

I agree. Japanese & German kids should be on the firing line. Just because they made a Sunday morning wake-up call & a Hitler 75 years ago doesn't absolve them evermore.

[midnightpulp]

& I done told the old man early this morn:::Replying to @realDonaldTrump


Understood, but, do not, DO NOT sign any bill involving gunsPERIOD

Why not, Cub? Is it because you don't want to see him cave in to the left? Who gives a ? This isn't the same America as 50 years ago when Joe and Bob could park the ol pickup in a grocery store parking lot, sporting a full gun rack, and nothing would happen. The modern America is one that it's in the middle of an addiction and mental health crisis, where 95% of children are taking some form of psychotropic meds by age 10, while they watch a "media" that is constantly looking to stir the pot and incite discontent. Do you think the modern America is healthy and responsible to own guns as they once had?

No, I'm not saying to gun grab, but to still allow firearm purchase at age 18 is nuts. 18 now is not 18 then. If you bought your son an air rifle at 10 and he promised you he'd be real responsible with it and then you caught him shooting out the neighbor's windows, you take the gun away from him until he's old enough to respect it. Until then, he's lost his right until you deem him mature enough. The "son" in this case is the modern US of A.

[midnightpulp]

You can't expect to give a citizen the vote & curtail him otherwise.

We're already curtailed with regard to drinking and gambling. I actually wouldn't mind seeing the voting age upped to 21. And as far as firearms go, maybe restrict <25 to purchases of only single shot, bolt actions. I've talked about a tiered gun licensing structure in the past.

[Pelicans78]

Yes. ISIS knows what kind of personality types to recruit. Same model. Disgruntled, angry men who have nothing. Tell these types that the West is behind all of their woes, and voila, you get a radical. Same thing here. Tell these disgruntled white males that immigrants are the bane of their existence, and you get a radical. My thought is that the rhetoric and radicalization are only a parts of the problem, and that mental health really is the driving factor. If we all lived in racial harmony, a person like this would just find something else to center a "cause" around. It's not as simple as eliminate the rhetoric, and you'll eliminate these events. These are fundamentally unstable individuals who are just looking for a reason. If they don't find it in racism, they'll find it somewhere else.

Every country has mental health issues, but not nearly the same amount of gun violence our country deals with. The biggest issue is the amount of access to guns and the overall gun culture in this country. That has to be changed drastically.