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    I believe holding one's feet to the fire includes a discussion of possible real-world consequences. If you're defining "blame" as *full* responsibility, then of course I don't think that applies to anyone but the shooter.
    Like what? Trump still has freedom of speech, and he's free to call immigrants invaders and rapists. It's definitely HIGHLY irresponsible for a public official to use that rhetoric, but not illegal. And his own limp party won't even so much as slap his hand and call him out (criticisms from the Dems are toothless obviously), so I'm not sure how you police him.

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    Calling out your bull isn’t an act in bad faith.
    No bull . You'll find the answer to your question in previous posts. Your inevitable response will be another bad faith argument, which is why I don't bother.

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    I wasn't talking about his reference to her. He basically said all trump supporters should be eradicated.
    Is your argument he said all of them should be summarily killed?

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    Like what? Trump still has freedom of speech, and he's free to call immigrants invaders and rapists. It's definitely HIGHLY irresponsible for a public official to use that rhetoric, but not illegal.
    I'm talking about consequences like inspiring some sick to shoot people, not legal consequences.

    You agree it's highly irresponsible. That's what I'm saying. I assume you agree that "highly irresponsible" means there is potential for consequences.

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    Is your argument he said all of them should be summarily killed?
    He's the one that wrote ALL OF THEM in all caps followed by eradication comment.

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    I'm talking about consequences like inspiring some sick to shoot people, not legal consequences.

    You agree it's highly irresponsible. That's what I'm saying. I assume you agree that "highly irresponsible" means there is potential for consequences.
    Yes. And Trump should be criticized for his words, but calling him a "Stochastic Terrorist" (as I've seen on the ters) is a little much. As bad as his rhetoric is, it doesn't call for murder or displacement of non-whites, like many alt-right ramblings, which I'm sure the shooter was immersed in.

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    He's the one that wrote ALL OF THEM in all caps followed by eradication comment.
    Is your argument he said all of them should be summarily killed?


    Yes or no.

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    No bull . You'll find the answer to your question in previous posts. Your inevitable response will be another bad faith argument, which is why I don't bother.
    Searched your posts. Couldn’t find the answer to why you ignored and didn’t mention El Paso shooters Berniesque ideals. Was that on purpose or did you just not read the manifesto and instead rely on the MSM to shape your view?

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    Berniesque ideals

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    Searched your posts. Couldn’t find the answer to why you ignored and didn’t mention El Paso shooters Berniesque ideals. Was that on purpose or did you just not read the manifesto and instead rely on the MSM to shape your view?
    I discussed the manifesto's mention of corporations and environmental resources with Darrin yesterday. Keep looking.

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    Searched your posts. Couldn’t find the answer to why you ignored and didn’t mention El Paso shooters Berniesque ideals. Was that on purpose or did you just not read the manifesto and instead rely on the MSM to shape your view?
    Oops. TSA caught the Spurm being less than forthright.

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    Searched your posts. Couldn’t find the answer to why you ignored and didn’t mention El Paso shooters Berniesque ideals. Was that on purpose or did you just not read the manifesto and instead rely on the MSM to shape your view?
    What were those?

    the environment was being ruined by a Mexican invasion?

    link(s)

    Had no idea he mentioned Sanders influencing him.

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    Let's be intellectually honest here. The "Leftist" part of the shooter's manifesto can't be linked to a Leftist politician in the same way as the "Kill hispanics" part of the manifesto can be linked to Trump, because, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall AOC, Warren, Bernie calling CEOs "invaders, rapists, etc."

    Perhaps they have. Left wing rhetoric can be similarly inflammatory with regards to demonizing the rich (i.e. "the rich are evil exploiters out to ruin your life"), , you can even twist Bible scripture to justify violence against the rich ("rich man, camel, eye of the needle, and all that") but I don't think calling for higher taxes on the rich equates to calling immigrants invaders and rapists.

    The Bernie/AOC equivalent would be for them in front of a pulpit calling America's CEOs and Wealthy, "evil exploiters of the working class who will ruin your lives if it meant they could increase their profits. This sort of thing needs to be stopped. What can we do?" And then a pulpit member answered, "Shoot them." As AOC or Bernie laughed it off with a joke.

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    I wasn't talking about his reference to her. He basically said all trump supporters should be eradicated.
    Free speech. I doubt anyone has much to fear from a supremely pissed off comparative religion scholar.

    If Conway feels threatened, she has every right to file a complaint and ask for protection.

    So can you, DarrinS. Does Reza Aslan frighten you?

    What he said is without any doubt hateful, intemperate, even reckless, but it's not too different from things kw and ducks say around here every day. Do they scare you too?
    Last edited by Winehole23; 08-05-2019 at 09:45 PM.

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    "He targeted Hispanics in a Texas border city, and stated specifically that he was doing this because of Hispanic infestation of Texas, because he was a crazy lefty environmentalist."

    Starting to think TSA actually believes this stuff. I always assumed he was just a liar.

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    "He targeted Hispanics in a Texas border city, and stated specifically that he was doing this because of Hispanic infestation of Texas, because he was a crazy lefty environmentalist."

    Starting to think TSA actually believes this stuff. I always assumed he was just a liar.
    But only 7 Mexicans were transported according to MSM.

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    ^ Still nipping?

    It's weird that Thread keeps quoting me after I told him he's on ignore and I've responded to maybe 1 out of his last 100 posts to me. But I guess that's what you do when you're a lonely old piece of garbage with nothing else going on.

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    You ignore me.
    I ignore no one.

    Only pussies & chicken s employ the Ignore Button.

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    So zilch.

    And I guess the guy could have just as easily traveled to deplorable town in Deep Southern State and slaughtered hundreds of confederate wanna bes.
    But he did not.

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    The Dayton shooter had an extreme left Twitter feed

    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-...22f817647227ab

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    The Dayton shooter had an extreme left Twitter feed

    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-...22f817647227ab
    Also liked the right wing El Paso shootings, so everything makes perfect sense.

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    This shooter should have been stopped police knew he had a hit list

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    Joe Biden says video games may play role in gun violence

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    Joe Biden says video games may play role in gun violence
    Bull .

    Domestic violence and access to guns are much more strongly correlated.

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    The Dayton shooter had an extreme left Twitter feed

    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-...22f817647227ab
    Thank God. It saved our hash, ducks. We were this||close to being ed. If not for Chicago & Dayton I'd probably be back in the RR lickin' my wounds & oiling my transom right this minute.

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