"But Chicago, Chicago, Chicago!"

[Pavlov]

More then former presidents

Which is what?

[Chucho]

Even when we're between mass murders, NO ONE wants to talk about Chicago.

It's a deflection for the Red, it's something that's swept under the rug for the Blues.


And there is truth to the Conservative rhetoric that Dems don't care about Chicago or inner city violence at all. They don't. Not saying Conservatives do, but Dems only address it the way it's being addressed when this happens.

There's also reason to discuss inner-city violence when discussing gun control. If people want to kill people, they're going to do it, if they want guns, they're going to get guns. This is why people argue that banning weapons wont stop this from happening, and there is truth to it. But again, it's just part of the truth.

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Even when we're between mass murders, NO ONE wants to talk about Chicago.

It's a deflection for the Red, it's something that's swept under the rug for the Blues.


And there is truth to the Conservative rhetoric that Dems don't care about Chicago or inner city violence at all. They don't. Not saying Conservatives do, but Dems only address it the way it's being addressed when this happens.

There's also reason to discuss inner-city violence when discussing gun control. If people want to kill people, they're going to do it, if they want guns, they're going to get guns. This is why people argue that banning weapons wont stop this from happening, and there is truth to it. But again, it's just part of the truth.

Tell it, Chooch. Testify!!!

[clambake]

holy !!!!!!!

its a blonde rosie o'donnell!!!

[weebo]

Do we know if any of these incidences were acts of domestic violence or gang violence, terrorism, or an indiscriminate act of violence against a specific group of people?

[Trill Clinton]

no one wants to talk about how crime in the inner city is at an all time low. they just bring up chicago.

[Chucho]

Do we know if any of these incidences were acts of domestic violence or gang violence, terrorism, or an indiscriminate act of violence against a specific group of people?

It's just a broad cross sampling of mass murder defined as 4+ people gunned down in one instance. Why does it matter beyond "guns+Muricans= Lots of people dead"?

[TSA]

I wouldn't ban 9mm's because their application for defense is reasonable, and their application for multiple murders is limited.

Seung Hui Cho and his 32 victims disagree.

[Chucho]

Seung Hui Cho and his 32 victims disagree.

Wont lie, there is a ing gem of a crude joke to be made here with he being Asian and using a 9mm...

[Spurminator]

Seung Hui Cho and his 32 victims disagree.

I said limited, you brought up one example. From 2007. Thanks for agreeing.

[Spurminator]

DP

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Seung Hui Cho and his 32 victims disagree.

Tell it, TSA. Testify!!!

[weebo]

It's just a broad cross sampling of mass murder defined as 4+ people gunned down in one instance. Why does it matter beyond "guns+Muricans= Lots of people dead"?

I’m guessing that a lot of these mass shootings aren’t easy to relate for most Muricans because most of us aren’t gang members, drug addicted, or in abusive relationships...

[TSA]

I said limited, you brought up one example. From 2007. Thanks for agreeing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0

I didn't agree with you at all.

The 9mm is one of the most commonly used in mass shootings from 1982-2019.

limited

[Chucho]

I’m guessing that a lot of these mass shootings aren’t easy to relate for most Muricans because most of us aren’t gang members, drug addicted, or in abusive relationships...

LOOOLLLK. And the vast majority of us aren't radicalized white males either. So most people can't relate to any kind of mass murder. What does this have to do with your initial post?

[Chucho]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0

I didn't agree with you at all.

The 9mm is one of the most commonly used in mass shootings from 1982-2019.

limited

So...you want the 9mm outlawed?

[Spurminator]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0

I didn't agree with you at all.

The 9mm is one of the most commonly used in mass shootings from 1982-2019.

limited

The majority of the 9mm's listed on that sheet were used in attacks involving other weapons as well.

But if you think the 9mm is really a dangerous weapon whose use for mass shootings trumps its use for self defense, I'm willing to listen. I don't have a strong opinion on the legality of the 9mm (or any specific gun, really.)

I do think it's cute that of everything I've said, you've decided to nit-pick one of my few statements in FAVOR of a gun's legality.

[Spurminator]

So...you want the 9mm outlawed?

Right? You beat me to it.

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The majority of the 9mm's listed on that sheet were used in attacks involving other weapons as well.

But if you think the 9mm is really a dangerous weapon whose use for mass shootings trumps its use for self defense, I'm willing to listen. I don't have a strong opinion on the legality of the 9mm (or any specific gun, really.)

I do think it's cute that of everything I've said, you've decided to nit-pick one of my few statements in FAVOR of a gun's legality.

You can't give up an inch, Spurm. You should know that by now. Your regrets are your own.

[midnightpulp]

no one wants to talk about how crime in the inner city is at an all time low. they just bring up chicago.

Even Chicago was trending toward all-time lows before a 2016 e from which it's declined. I don't think people remember how bad inner city violence was during the crack epidemic.





^this is why the "But Chicago!" deflection irritates since solutions for inner city crime are different, requiring different discussion. It's a poor analogy to compare inner city violence to mass shootings.

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Even Chicago was trending toward all-time lows before a 2016 e from which it's declined. I don't think people remember how bad inner city violence was during the crack epidemic.





^this is why the "But Chicago!" deflection irritates since solutions for inner city crime are different, requiring different discussion. It's a poor analogy to compare inner city violence to mass shootings.

But, it's a terrific crutch in times of trial & tribulation. It poleaxes Americans, on contact.

[Pavlov]

Seung Hui Cho and his 32 victims disagree.

Did he shoot them all in 20 seconds?

Also sounds like the 9mm had plenty of stopping power.

[TSA]

The majority of the 9mm's listed on that sheet were used in attacks involving other weapons as well.

But if you think the 9mm is really a dangerous weapon whose use for mass shootings trumps its use for self defense, I'm willing to listen. I don't have a strong opinion on the legality of the 9mm (or any specific gun, really.)

I do think it's cute that of everything I've said, you've decided to nit-pick one of my few statements in FAVOR of a gun's legality.

I'm basically just trying to figure out your logic on what you want banned and why.

I wouldn't ban 9mm's because their application for defense is reasonable, and their application for multiple murders is limited.

How do handguns (9mm) get a pass from you when they are the overwhelming cause of all gun deaths? Have handguns used in self defense saved more people than killed?

[Pavlov]

I'm basically just trying to figure out your logic on what you want banned and why.



How do handguns (9mm) get a pass from you when they are the overwhelming cause of all gun deaths? Have handguns used in self defense saved more people than killed?

But women can't use them because reasons!

[TSA]

It's a poor analogy to compare inner city violence to mass shootings.

It is a terrible analogy as one results in thousands more deaths than the other.