joaquin castro calls out San Antonians who donated the max amount to trump campaign

[ElNono]

So would you be comfortable if a Republican politician posted a family member's name of yours who donated to a left wing ideologue. Let's say this ideologue was president. He made a speech about how CEOs are greedy sociopaths who've ruined the country. He yammers on about CEOs and capitalists with the same rhetoric as Trump does with immigrants. This may or may not have inspired a mass shooter to kill a dozen people at some business conference. The Republican posted the list saying, contra Castro, "these are the people funding hate."

I don't think you'd be on board with that. And yes, people should know where the money is flowing, but they can freely find out themselves. Castro could've tweeted, "I encourage all voters to look up campaign donor lists, both republicans and democrats." But he didn't frame it like that, and we know why.

My family member would be on that list out of his/her own volition, so it's not what I want or prefer, it's their choice. I can't control them. I certainly would prefer not to be in any list, and I certainly can control that, at least in this scenario.

See, my issue is that, logically speaking, if you were going to make an argument that public disclosure can lead to violence, harassment, etc, then the issue is with public disclosure laws, it's not that Castro or whoever was a megaphone for the information.

It's not really an argument anybody here apparently wants to advance, but it's actually the source of the information, and potentially one of the solutions. And given that, I'm not thinking Castro at all, I'm thinking, is the mere possibility of incidents worth shutting down public disclosure? I don't think it is, IMVHO.

I'm actually 180 degrees from where you're at. I would encourage people and provide the links if I were a public figure. For both parties. I think it's informative, and very much relevant to the political system we know today. Those lists are factual, they're not fake news, it informs the electorate. It's unfortunate we're always complaining about low info voters, and then prefer to hide information from them.

I welcome more of such disclosures, I hope it becomes a habit. There should be no shame from these people supporting their candidates, and no fear of repercussions, otherwise, the lunatics are running the asylum, tbh.

[Reck]

What he did was ty and "flame fanning."

Who are we kidding. By donating to Trump in the first place you are already “fanning the flame.”

if you donate money (the max at that) you are by all means endorsing everything Trump stands for and wants to do.

Honestly if one of my family members donated to a scam artist in the first place I would have to question not only their intelligence but their morality as well.

[Thread]

Who are we kidding. By donating to Trump in the first place you are already “fanning the flame.”

if you donate money (the max at that) you are by all means endorsing everything Trump stands for and wants to do.

Honestly if one of my family members donated to a scam artist in the first place I would have to question not only their intelligence but their morality as well.

He mopped the in' floor with her in' ass.

[Chris]

ORANGE MAN BAD!

[midnightpulp]

My family member would be on that list out of his/her own volition, so it's not what I want or prefer, it's their choice. I can't control them. I certainly would prefer not to be in any list, and I certainly can control that, at least in this scenario.

See, my issue is that, logically speaking, if you were going to make an argument that public disclosure can lead to violence, harassment, etc, then the issue is with public disclosure laws, it's not that Castro or whoever was a megaphone for the information.

It's not really an argument anybody here apparently wants to advance, but it's actually the source of the information, and potentially one of the solutions. And given that, I'm not thinking Castro at all, I'm thinking, is the mere possibility of incidents worth shutting down public disclosure? I don't think it is, IMVHO.

I'm actually 180 degrees from where you're at. I would encourage people and provide the links if I were a public figure. For both parties. I think it's informative, and very much relevant to the political system we know today. Those lists are factual, they're not fake news, it informs the electorate. It's unfortunate we're always complaining about low info voters, and then prefer to hide information from them.

I welcome more of such disclosures, I hope it becomes a habit. There should be no shame from these people supporting their candidates, and no fear of repercussions, otherwise, the lunatics are running the asylum, tbh.

You can direct people to that information without pointing out key individuals. Just say, "I encourage all voters to look up campaign donor lists, both republican and democrat." Then, people can make their own choice on what to do with that information. But we know why he didn't say it like that. He was trying to influence his side into either shaming these people, boycotting their businesses, etc. I don't think Castro had any hopes that someone would take violent action, but he posted that list at a very touchy time. Politicians should endeavor to use neutral language whenever possible. They're supposed to be statesmen. Isn't that what we revile about Trump? He can't simply say, "I believe in tighter border security." No, he has to similarly influence by calling migrants rapists, invaders, an infestation, etc.

Labeling all Trump supporters as "fuelers of hate" is similarly irresponsible to the language Trump uses to describes immigrants. It's dehumanizing rhetoric that serves no other purpose that to stir up ugly sentiment. I understand from our point-of-view, we see Trump supporters as enablers of him, so we think, "Why can't they just see how terrible he is like we do and forsake him! Since they continue to support him, these people must be as bad as him. them!" But cognitive dissonance is very powerful, and many Trump supporters find excuses for his rhetoric or they convince themselves he was taken out context. Or, they might be single issue voters who hold their nose, but deal with his negatives because he's anti-abortion or believe he's truly going to bring back the Midwest glory days.

I think we just need to take the higher ground and not be petty like Trump often is.

[boutons_deux]

" He can't simply say, "I believe in tighter border security." No, he has to similarly influence by calling migrants rapists, invaders, an infestation"

Trash's "straight talk" is lies

Nothing wrong with a politician telling the "unvarnished" truth, (diplomatic euphemisms are LIES) like JC did with public info,

or truths like "Trash is a ING RACIST" or

"Trash is ing clinically disordered personality"

[Monostradamus]

I still don’t get it. If you donated to Trump, why aren’t you proud of it? Why do you want that information kept as quiet as possible? Why wouldn’t you voluntarily offer to people that you donated to him? Are you ashamed of it?

[Thread]

I still don’t get it. If you donated to Trump, why aren’t you proud of it? Why do you want that information kept as quiet as possible? Why wouldn’t you voluntarily offer to people that you donated to him? Are you ashamed of it?

Kinda like Antifa agents running to & fro sucker punching people while under mask, eh, Mono?

[TheGreatYacht]

Kinda like Antifa agents running to & fro sucker punching people while under mask, eh, Mono?

ANTIFA members are a very small percentage of the left just like the alt-right and neo nazis are a very small percentage of the right. Apples and oranges

[boutons_deux]

how many people has masked antifa sucker punched, who and why was sucker punched?

[hater]

Most probably don't want to be associated with Maga inbreds tbqh

[TheGreatYacht]

You can direct people to that information without pointing out key individuals. Just say, "I encourage all voters to look up campaign donor lists, both republican and democrat." Then, people can make their own choice on what to do with that information. But we know why he didn't say it like that. He was trying to influence his side into either shaming these people, boycotting their businesses, etc. I don't think Castro had any hopes that someone would take violent action, but he posted that list at a very touchy time. Politicians should endeavor to use neutral language whenever possible. They're supposed to be statesmen. Isn't that what we revile about Trump? He can't simply say, "I believe in tighter border security." No, he has to similarly influence by calling migrants rapists, invaders, an infestation, etc.

Labeling all Trump supporters as "fuelers of hate" is similarly irresponsible to the language Trump uses to describes immigrants. It's dehumanizing rhetoric that serves no other purpose that to stir up ugly sentiment. I understand from our point-of-view, we see Trump supporters as enablers of him, so we think, "Why can't they just see how terrible he is like we do and forsake him! Since they continue to support him, these people must be as bad as him. them!" But cognitive dissonance is very powerful, and many Trump supporters find excuses for his rhetoric or they convince themselves he was taken out context. Or, they might be single issue voters who hold their nose, but deal with his negatives because he's anti-abortion or believe he's truly going to bring back the Midwest glory days.

I think we just need to take the higher ground and not be petty like Trump often is.

Good luck convincing all the normies on the left to do that. That's like trying to convince all the normies on the right to stop supporting Israel and Zionism. It's hard to break off years of brainwashing.

[boutons_deux]

"Labeling all Trump supporters as "fuelers of hate" is similarly irresponsible"

At this point, even in 2015's "murderers and rapists", Trump supporters ARE fueling, endorsing, enabling, try to re-elect destructive, criminal Trash and his Exec of oligarchy destroyers, so the ing LABEL(s) fits.

Trash is President because his voters chose to overlook or endorse his vindictive hate. so I say "label them all, and them all".

They, esp the ing Christian evangelicals, and the Repugs they repeatedly elect are PRIMARILY why America cannot solve its problems, cannot progress, but rather regresses by decades and centuries.

[Thread]

"Labeling all Trump supporters as "fuelers of hate" is similarly irresponsible"

At this point, even in 2015's "murderers and rapists", Trump supporters ARE fueling, endorsing, enabling, try to re-elect destructive, criminal Trash and his Exec of oligarchy destroyers, so the ing LABEL(s) fits.

Trash is President because his voters chose to overlook or endorse his vindictive hate. so I say "label them all, and them all".

They, esp the ing Christian evangelicals, and the Repugs they repeatedly elect are PRIMARILY why America cannot solve its problems, cannot progress, but rather regresses by decades and centuries.

Boiled down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Thread]

ANTIFA members are a very small percentage of the left just like the alt-right and neo nazis are a very small percentage of the right. Apples and oranges

We're even/steven, eh? Okay, I'll buy it.

[Monostradamus]

Kinda like Antifa agents running to & fro sucker punching people while under mask, eh, Mono?

Antifa are a bunch of pussies tbh. Apparently just like Trump donors.

[TheGreatYacht]

I can't endorse this. I would be pissed if any politician broadcasted on twitter the name of family and friends of mine who donated the max to Trump. Yes, it's "public information," but Castro knows full well what he's doing and should be cogent enough that it's probably not the wisest idea to advertise Trump supporters when nerves and anger are at all time highs in the country, when it's very possible at this moment, someone on "our" side is planning something terrible as "revenge" for El Paso.

I get Castro's logic might be, "Know who has donated the max to Trump in your city. If they're business owners, boycott their establishments to send a message." I don't have a problem with that, and Castro could've sent such a message without naming names. What he did was ty and "flame fanning."

Sounds like what ElNono said...

[Chris]

[Pavlov]

"doxxed"?

Hardly.

[Reck]

Chris, what part of public records do you not understand?

Maybe you and the people who run Trump's war room twitter should look up the definition of "Dox."

Morons.

[TheGreatYacht]

EVERY SINGLE politician should disclose who is buying them off. Period.

[clambake]

i guess these people will be fleeing to argentina soon.

[koriwhat]

Why does Mitch McConnnell look like a turtle and Trump like a oversized slovenly oompah loompah?

And both look like wimps.

fwiw what do you look like? let's compare!

your stones are merely beads and your glass house is nothing more than shattered.

[Blake]

fwiw what do you look like? let's compare!

your stones are merely beads and your glass house is nothing more than shattered.

everyone knows what you look like, weakling.

[koriwhat]

everyone knows what you look like, weakling.

and? again racistBlaKKe, i told you if you have so much animosity towards me you could easily come visit me and we can work this all out but es like yourself continue to hide behind their keyboards.

you're in the same category as bd24 tbh. both of yall are weak talking dip s and that's all yall are.