joaquin castro calls out San Antonians who donated the max amount to trump campaign

[Winehole23]

Chick-fil-A for instance got the boot in SA because their donations were public knowledge. I don't think that's fair to them.

The free market ain't fair. People vote with their feet.

If you don't want to do business with bigoted assholes you don't have to. Too bad for Chick Fil A.

[Blake]

The free market ain't fair. People vote with their feet.

If you don't want to do business with bigoted assholes you don't have to. Too bad for Chick Fil A.

Right, I agree.

But I think a person should have the freedom to be a bigot in private if they so choose. Chick-fil-A was outed by their tax returns.

[Winehole23]

Right, I agree.

But I think a person should have the freedom to be a bigot in private if they so choose. Chick-fil-A was outed by their tax returns.

Any distinction between flesh and blood people and fic ious legal persons? All political contributions should be private?

[Blake]

Any distinction between flesh and blood people and fic ious legal persons? All political contributions should be private?

I think so. What's the downside?

[Winehole23]

I think so. What's the downside?

One downside is we might not find out when pols are crooked. Disclosure keeps people accountable, the public already knows who's owed favors and can take that information to the voting booth when the next election comes around.

[Blake]

One downside is we might not find out when pols are crooked. Disclosure keeps people accountable, the public already knows who's owed favors and can take that information to the voting booth when the next election comes around.

"Might not"

I'm fine with innocent until proven guilty. If the FBI has reason to believe there might be corruption, let them get a warrant to dig. I prefer that to public perception and misconception.

[Winehole23]

"Might not"

I'm fine with innocent until proven guilty. If the FBI has reason to believe there might be corruption, let them get a warrant to dig. I prefer that to public perception and misconception.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant, the paper trail starts with the public record. The less we have to go on, the greater chance the crooks get away with it.

[ElNono]

Right, I agree.

But I think a person should have the freedom to be a bigot in private if they so choose. Chick-fil-A was outed by their tax returns.

So this is a good point, and more reason to keep these records public. It makes them either conscientiously embrace and support their private thoughts publicly, or abstain. The choice is always theirs.

I think we can both agree this country will be better served with less racism and bigotry, so I'm glad this puts those people in that conundrum.

[pgardn]

I think so. What's the downside?

We want transparency in government, but not for the people who run it?
Corruption begins when we don’t know who might be owed favors. And both teams blame each other for what is considered de able by both.
People in government have every right to claim I don’t owe them a damn thing, they like my policies for our country.
Then the people can decide.

Its the same basic premise yet again. Rights of the individual v. the good of the whole. We have seen the intelligence community abuse this, we have seen individuals commit crimes and hide behind it.

[Blake]

Sunshine is the best disinfectant, the paper trail starts with the public record. The less we have to go on, the greater chance the crooks get away with it.

Funny, i took you more for a personal freedom type guy vs more of a big bro type

[TheGreatYacht]

The brainwashing of right-wingers to defend the elites is blatantly obvious in this thread . Give it up Trumpsters. Quit torturing yourselves. You cannot defend the indefensible.

[pgardn]

Dp

[pgardn]

So this is a good point, and more reason to keep these records public. It makes them either conscientiously embrace and support their private thoughts publicly, or abstain. The choice is always theirs.

I think we can both agree this country will be better served with less racism and bigotry, so I'm glad this puts those people in that conundrum.

Never use “so” to start a sentence. People might believe you are thinking and going to release informative arguments in the parlance of our times.

Thanks

Chris (K-12 English Vocabulary Champion)
Mrs. Crutchfield (mentor to Chris)

So stop it, lest we wack you with a ruler.

[Blake]

So this is a good point, and more reason to keep these records public. It makes them either conscientiously embrace and support their private thoughts publicly, or abstain. The choice is always theirs.

I think we can both agree this country will be better served with less racism and bigotry, so I'm glad this puts those people in that conundrum.

I think it's more reason to keep records private. I think people have a right to be what they want to be in private. That right should include the ability donate to their favorite politician without fear of retribution.

[Winehole23]

Funny, i took you more for a personal freedom type guy vs more of a big bro type

I'm not doctrinaire. Donation disclosure is a check against abuse of power. I can see the privacy concern too, perhaps below a defined threshold there could be anonymity for the donations of private citizens.

[pgardn]

I think it's more reason to keep records private. I think people have a right to be what they want to be in private. That right should include the ability donate to their favorite politician without fear of retribution.

BE versus DO what they want?
They are doing something by donating cash. To a process that affects all of us.

[Blake]

Never use “so” to start a sentence. People might believe you are thinking and going to release informative arguments in the parlance of our times.

Thanks

Chris (K-12 English Vocabulary Champion)
Mrs. Crutchfield (mentor to Chris)

So stop it, lest we wack you with a ruler.

Lol

[Blake]

BE versus DO what they want?
They are doing something by donating cash. To a process that affects all of us.

And what does knowing who they donated to do for you?

[Blake]

I'm not doctrinaire. Donation disclosure is a check against abuse of power. I can see the privacy concern too, perhaps below a defined threshold there could be anonymity for the donations of private citizens.

Honest question because I'm not aware: how has donation disclosure specifically curbed abuse of power?

[Blake]

I'm not doctrinaire.

I thought I recall you being irate about police search of vehicles on the public road without warrants.

The argument for being "if they're not doing anything wrong then what do they have to hide?"

[Blake]

https://www.moneytalksnews.com/are-y...al-candidates/

^ find out if your neighbors, co-workers or family members are trump s, lib s, progrssi s or republi z

[pgardn]

And what does knowing who they donated to do for you?

Now convince me that this donation is not associated with corruption.
Mainly because both parties use this constantly.
Drain the swamp was a phrase used to clean up.

And I have used this phrase to show how our current president has done nothing of the sort.
I would like to know what contributions lead to ambassadorships.
Because they do, in both parties. People are paying for government positions with campaign contributions.

And in turn these government employees work for the president’s next campaign.(illegal)
Blue team and red team rail against this but realize how powerful it is.

[Blake]

Now convince me that this donation is not associated with corruption.

So you subscribe to guilty unless proven innocent

[pgardn]

So you subscribe to guilty unless proven innocent

I prescribe to a psuedo trial.
Especially since so many lesser donors than the mega owners get government jobs for contributions.
I want it more transparent than it is for government employees.
And I want the press to have access to the slugs that pay for play.

People donate and then become a DC parasite.
So I agreed with Trump in an attempt to stop this. But he has done the opposite.

[Blake]

I prescribe to a psuedo trial.
Especially since so many lesser donors than the mega owners get government jobs for contributions.
I want it more transparent than it is for government employees.
And I want the press to have access to the slugs that pay for play.

People donate and then become a DC parasite.
So I agreed with Trump in an attempt to stop this. But he has done the opposite.

I'm fine with having to disclose your contributions if you get a government job/contract. That makes sense.

Who is an example of a DC parasite