"But Chicago, Chicago, Chicago!"

[midnightpulp]

Doing that will not ensure anything. It will only give you hope that things will change, because you have to assume the cause then assume you've remedied it. If you really want to stop the killings, you have to remove the means to do so. Banning guns means nothing with the number in circulation, unchecked and unregistered. You'd have to confiscate them and do house to house searches and offer stiff penalties including death to anyone caught with one. It's harsh as , but if you want to ensure the killings stop, that's what you'd have to do. Then you'd only need to be concerned with the backlash, but not mass shootings.

As Chump mentioned, your thinking is all or nothing. Personally, I wouldn't care if every gun was melted down. But I share this society with other Americans who value gun ownership, for hunting, recreation, personal defense, collecting, etc, and I'm not about to impose my tastes/worldview on them in absolutes. There can be compromises that reduce these incidents without trampling on gun rights. And yes, I do believe increased minimum age laws, extended background checks, and a tiered licensing structure would reduce the frequency of these events.

Firearm homicides and violent crimes disproportionately involve individuals under age 21, both as perpetrators and as victims. Indeed, in 2012, arrest rates for violent crimes peaked at age 18 (Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, 2016). Of the 7,152 firearm homicides committed in 2014 for which the age of the offender was known, 47.2 percent were perpetrated by individuals aged 12–24.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...nimum-age.html

Here's an interesting study that illustrates how more mass shootings occur (per capita) in states with permissive gun laws than in states with restrictive gun laws.

https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l542

But that said, prior to 2010, the incident frequency didn't seem to be influenced that much by gun control, aside from the 2002-03 e, which looks more like noise than anything. But after 2009-10, the trend is pretty clear. So what changed? The rise of social media and the proliferation of the smartphone (which has also correlated with an unprecedented rise in teenage depression). The modern media/social landscape, in my mind, is creating more depressive, disgruntled, isolated, and just plain angry people than ever before.

Look at something like the rise of Flat Earthers. I thought I've never see something like that happen. But you can find an echo chamber on the Internet to confirm whatever crank belief you have, which normalizes that belief. And troublingly, this includes radical beliefs that can lead to violent action. So following the logic, we have more depressed, angry, and alienated people out there than maybe ever before in the last century, which is something that doesn't mix too well with permissive gun laws. But how do you curb the influence of social media, crank websites, and the like without a significant alteration of the 1st amendment (which is a much more important amendment than the 2nd amendment)?

Culture isn't static, so the laws themselves have to be dynamic as culture evolves (or devolves). It really doesn't make much sense to consider an 18th gun rights law as stone etched gospel in a 21st century world.

[DMC]

As Chump mentioned, your thinking is all or nothing. Personally, I wouldn't care if every gun was melted down. But I share this society with other Americans who value gun ownership, for hunting, recreation, personal defense, collecting, etc, and I'm not about to impose my tastes/worldview on them in absolutes. There can be compromises that reduce these incidents without trampling on gun rights. And yes, I do believe increased minimum age laws, extended background checks, and a tiered licensing structure would reduce the frequency of these events.



https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...nimum-age.html

Here's an interesting study that illustrates how more mass shootings occur (per capita) in states with permissive gun laws than in states with restrictive gun laws.

https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l542

But that said, prior to 2010, the incident frequency didn't seem to be influenced that much by gun control, aside from the 2002-03 e, which looks more like noise than anything. But after 2009-10, the trend is pretty clear. So what changed? The rise of social media and the proliferation of the smartphone (which has also correlated with an unprecedented rise in teenage depression). The modern media/social landscape, in my mind, is creating more depressive, disgruntled, isolated, and just plain angry people than ever before.

Look at something like the rise of Flat Earthers. I thought I've never see something like that happen. But you can find an echo chamber on the Internet to confirm whatever crank belief you have, which normalizes that belief. And troublingly, this includes radical beliefs that can lead to violent action. So following the logic, we have more depressed, angry, and alienated people out there than maybe ever before in the last century, which is something that doesn't mix too well with permissive gun laws. But how do you curb the influence of social media, crank websites, and the like without a significant alteration of the 1st amendment (which is a much more important amendment than the 2nd amendment)?

Culture isn't static, so the laws themselves have to be dynamic as culture evolves (or devolves). It really doesn't make much sense to consider an 18th gun rights law as stone etched gospel in a 21st century world.

The failure to commit to eradicating guns in the US is why we are where we are - where people hem haw about specific types of regulations as if that will have any effect at all. This is because the left is afraid to go for the brass ring, they know it's a suicide pill. However they will dance around it all the while, taking nips and bites here and there and trying to appear as if they are pushing for meaningful gun legislation. I see people here mention Australia, they banned guns pretty much. Why is that too stiff a penalty? Since we aren't going to arm everyone, disarm everyone. If you only have a few who are armed and unregulated, because you cannot police 300m people with unregistered firearms, then these things will continue to happen.

As far as the 2nd Amendment (which I think you're referring to in your last statement), does the same apply to the 1st Amendment?

[Chucho]

FYI, your chart is wrong. There's about half a dozen South American holes with 5 to 10 times higher gun homicide rates than here, per 100k per Wiki.

[Pavlov]

FYI, your chart is wrong. There's about half a dozen South American holes with 5 to 10 times higher gun homicide rates than here, per 100k per Wiki.

If they're holes, that's probably why they aren't on the OECD list.

[boutons_deux]

This (RED) state actually has the highest rate of black homicide victims in the entire country

And the state that leads the nation in black homicides isn’t where Trump probably thinks it is.

It’s in the middle of America. Namely, Missouri.

Missouri has the highest rate of black homicide victims in the entire nation.

When you look at all of Missouri,

the homicide rate per capita for black people comes in at a horrifying

nine times higher than the overall rate for the nation.

Any guesses why Trump isn’t describing Missouri as “rat-infested?”

While these upsetting numbers aren’t actually a new status for Missouri—

murder rates for black residents have been topping the charts in the state for a long time—

it’s important to contextualize now, in light of recent conversations about gun reform.

What does Missouri have? You guessed it: Weak gun laws.

Missouri lawmakers

lowered the age you need to be to carry a concealed weapon from 21 to 19;

approved a “stand your ground” law;

stopped local government from banning open carry; and

you no longer need to get a firearms permit to carry a concealed weapon.

In fact, you don’t even need any firearms training to carry a concealed weapon.

lacks any kind of “red flag” gun laws that are important for protecting people who are victims of domestic violence, among other vulnerable populations

“If you want to hunt an animal in Missouri, you must attend a hunter’s safety education course and obtain a license,”

“But recent state legislation has removed any requirements on carrying or using a gun around people.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/13/1878755/-This-state-actually-has-the-highest-rate-of-black-homicide-victims-in-the-entire-country?detail=emaildkre

[Chris]

[Thread]

Is he white, or, non-white?

[Chris]

Is he white, or, non-white?

Preach!

[Thread]

Preach!

CNN still won't own up to him. HA!

Where's Splits this morning? Probably hanging around a subway staircase aiming to wreck whitey's . GD him!

[boutons_deux]

It really doesn't make much sense to consider an 18th gun rights law as stone etched gospel in a 21st century world.

18th century slave-owning wealthy white guys who MISwrote the 2nd Amendment didn't think "well-regulated militias"

(aka "slave patrols" to appease states with influential slave owners)

needed automatic high capacity machines for mass slaughter.

The 2nd Amendment has been perverted politically, only since the late '70s, to increase BigGun profits, by gulling assholes into thinking gun ownership defines the assholes as badass hyper-patriotic Macho Man gun fellators, LIED to into believing that gun obsession is the highest form of patriotism

Gun obsession and gun violence are two symptoms of a diseased America.

[Thread]

18th wealthy white guys who MISwrote the 2nd Amendment didn't think "well-organized militias" (aka "slave patrols" to appease states with influential slave owners) needed automatic high capacity machines for mass slaughter.

The 2nd Amendment has been perverted politically, only since the late '70s, to increase BigGun profits, by gulling assholes into thinking gun ownership defines the assholes as badass hyper-patriotic Macho Man gun fellators, LIED to into believing that gun obsession is the highest form of patriotism

Gun obsession and gun violence are two symptoms of a diseased America.

My ass.

[boutons_deux]

My ass.

... is where your -for-brains head lives

[Thread]

... is where your -for-brains head lives

- "Come father, let us embrace at last."

- "Mordred" - "Excalibur"

[boutons_deux]

States with the most (and least) gun violence. See where your state stacks up.

28th Texas most gun violence, and all states down to #1 all ALL RED

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-up/359395002/

[Splits]

CNN still won't own up to him. HA!

Where's Splits this morning? Probably hanging around a subway staircase aiming to wreck whitey's . GD him!

didn't drive 10 hours to murder whitey. In fact, he didn't murder anyone.

[Thread]

didn't drive 10 hours to murder whitey. In fact, he didn't murder anyone.

Nobody likes to be shot, Splits. You can never take. You can only dish.

ADDENDUM:::CNN posted his pic finally about an hour ago.

[Splits]

Nobody likes to be shot, Splits. You can never take. You can only dish.

ADDENDUM:::CNN posted his pic finally about an hour ago.

You should be lovin' this guy. Sitting at home, locked and loaded, when the popo show up and try to take his . He took a stand. Like your Koresh.

[Thread]

You should be lovin' this guy. Sitting at home, locked and loaded, when the popo show up and try to take his . He took a stand. Like your Koresh.

See, Koresh sticks in your craw.

Good.