30 people shot in Midland Texas| here we go again

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i dont think you can go full minority report and arrest people before they do stuff. sometimes there are clear red flags and mental health flags that can help you be proactive. but otherwise, in addition to whatever measures we can take to allow ease of access to mental health, we should simultaneously combat the ease of access to these sorts of weapons that make mass murder so much more practical and easy for them.

i dont think the mass murderer is likely to turn in his weapon. but the guy who privately sold it to him might otherwise have sold it to the government who pays full market value (heck, maybe we make the buyback 1.5x market value to further incentivize it). decrease the amount of guns in circulation, chip away at the ease of access to guns. you'll still have the nuts on the street, but less of them will be able to acquire guns in ways that cir vent mental health screening

No, but you'd paw at 'em no end.

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[Spurs Homer]

Has absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked you. You ing idiot.

dont be angry and lash out just because everyone in this thread has dropped huge wet turds on your stupid ass

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dont be angry and lash out just because everyone in this thread has dropped huge wet turds on your stupid ass

ha, ha, D called you an idiot, a ing idiot.

[Spurs Homer]

ha, ha, D called you an idiot, a ing idiot.

Idiot = anyone who believes a word coming out of the ''12,000 CONFIRMED LIES'' con man!

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Idiot = anyone who believes a word coming out of the ''12,000 CONFIRMED LIES'' con man!

(CONFIRMED)

Only ing idiots would waste a moment, must less paid time running to & fro pawing for confirmation, but, then what else could you do once he left her where he found her...dead in the ground.

You ing idiot.

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Evangelical leader suggests teaching evolution contributes to mass shootings



Family Research Council President Tony Perkins of course!

said this week that

the regularity of mass shootings in the United States

stems from a "decades-long march" to drive "religion and God from the public square,"

suggesting that the teaching of evolution has led Americans to treat each other like "dirt."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/459763-evangelical-leader-suggests-teaching-evolution-contributes-to-mass-shootings

Americans to treat each other like "dirt." ? no, no, that's capitalism

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Evangelical leader suggests teaching evolution contributes to mass shootings



Family Research Council President Tony Perkins of course!

said this week that

the regularity of mass shootings in the United States

stems from a "decades-long march" to drive "religion and God from the public square,"

suggesting that the teaching of evolution has led Americans to treat each other like "dirt."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/459763-evangelical-leader-suggests-teaching-evolution-contributes-to-mass-shootings

Americans to treat each other like "dirt." ? no, no, that's capitalism

Tell it, Tony. Testify!!!

[DMC]

(CONFIRMED)

Only ing idiots would waste a moment, must less paid time running to & fro pawing for confirmation, but, then what else could you do once he left her where he found her...dead in the ground.

You ing idiot.

Testify Dale!!!

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i dont think you can go full minority report and arrest people before they do stuff. sometimes there are clear red flags and mental health flags that can help you be proactive. but otherwise, in addition to whatever measures we can take to allow ease of access to mental health, we should simultaneously combat the ease of access to these sorts of weapons that make mass murder so much more practical and easy for them.

i dont think the mass murderer is likely to turn in his weapon. but the guy who privately sold it to him might otherwise have sold it to the government who pays full market value (heck, maybe we make the buyback 1.5x market value to further incentivize it). decrease the amount of guns in circulation, chip away at the ease of access to guns. you'll still have the nuts on the street, but less of them will be able to acquire guns in ways that cir vent mental health screening

List mass shooters who acquired guns illegally or who bought from private sellers. We can start with Columbine.

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Texas shooter bought gun in private sale, after ban due to mental illness

The gunman who killed seven people and wounded 23 others in a rampage across West Texas on Saturday obtained the assault-style rifle used through a private sale after he was banned from having a firearm because he was diagnosed with a mental illness,

Ator bought the assault-style rifle through a private sale

after being prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm because he had been diagnosed with a mental illness by a clinician, ABC news reported, citing federal and local law enforcement.

Private firearm sellers are not required to run background checks on potential buyers,

but they are not allowed to sell a weapon to a person who has been flagged by law enforcement under federal law.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-shooting/texas-shooter-bought-gun-in-private-sale-after-ban-due-to-mental-illness-abc-idUSKCN1VP00N?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

So who is the private seller who violated federal law?

I bet there are 1000s of private sellers who don't GAF about the law

[spurraider21]

List mass shooters who acquired guns illegally or who bought from private sellers. We can start with Columbine.

based on your very next post, looks like most acquired them legally. what's the takeaway? that its way too easy for these guys to legally acquire weapons... and that they predominately are looking for legal, not illegal, avenues for acquiring their weapons. that would only seem to bolster the theory that legal obstacles to acquiring these weapons would prevent some of these idiots from getting their hands on those guns. these guys overwhelmingly avoid the black market

[DMC]

based on your very next post, looks like most acquired them legally. what's the takeaway? that its way too easy for these guys to legally acquire weapons... and that they predominately are looking for legal, not illegal, avenues for acquiring their weapons. that would only seem to bolster the theory that legal obstacles to acquiring these weapons would prevent some of these idiots from getting their hands on those guns. these guys overwhelmingly avoid the black market

The take away is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals isn't the mass shooting solution, so gun laws isn't the answer nor is background checks. This isn't the typical crook gets gun scenario. This is your everyday loser who has acquired a gun at some point (most people I know own several) and one day some aspect of his life convinces him " it, I'm going in". In the past that would never have occurred to us to kill a lot of people as a suicide statement. In the past we'd go out in to a field and shoot ourselves in the face, or overdose on meds, or drive a car off a cliff or something stupid like that, even suicide by cop. Not now though. Now we hate everyone, and everyone needs to die so if we no longer care about living, we want to kill as many as we can to get that last statement in there for the world to see we aren't ing around.

Find a way to locate, treat and/or eradicate those ers and that's a good start.

From a personal standpoint, my solution is to be armed. I cannot provide that to anyone else, you're free to choose. It's not a great solution, I'd rather not be armed but I am a as well so you if you think you're getting me as a statement statistic.

People don't care about other people. Moreso now than any other time in my lifetime. That's not bad enough, they don't value life at all, not even their own. But they know some still do and they hate them for it, and they lash out to take as much of that away as possible.

It's also a bully era, social bullying now doesn't end at the end of the school day. Now it goes through the night, the summer, infiltrating all of the life of a kid or young adult. They aren't individuals now, but some odd collective that when one gets rejected they die on the vine.

[spurraider21]

The take away is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals isn't the mass shooting solution, so gun laws isn't the answer nor is background checks. This isn't the typical crook gets gun scenario. This is your everyday loser who has acquired a gun at some point (most people I know own several) and one day some aspect of his life convinces him " it, I'm going in". In the past that would never have occurred to us to kill a lot of people as a suicide statement. In the past we'd go out in to a field and shoot ourselves in the face, or overdose on meds, or drive a car off a cliff or something stupid like that, even suicide by cop. Not now though. Now we hate everyone, and everyone needs to die so if we no longer care about living, we want to kill as many as we can to get that last statement in there for the world to see we aren't ing around.

Find a way to locate, treat and/or eradicate those ers and that's a good start.

From a personal standpoint, my solution is to be armed. I cannot provide that to anyone else, you're free to choose. It's not a great solution, I'd rather not be armed but I am a as well so you if you think you're getting me as a statement statistic.

People don't care about other people. Moreso now than any other time in my lifetime. That's not bad enough, they don't value life at all, not even their own. But they know some still do and they hate them for it, and they lash out to take as much of that away as possible.

It's also a bully era, social bullying now doesn't end at the end of the school day. Now it goes through the night, the summer, infiltrating all of the life of a kid or young adult. They aren't individuals now, but some odd collective that when one gets rejected they die on the vine.

i dont agree with the interpretation. that almost all of these mass shootings happens with legally acquired arms only suggests that making them legally unavailable will prevent a good amount of these nuts from acquiring the weapons needed to carry out the acts. it it was more of a mixed bag, or we saw something like 90% of these mass shootings happen with guns acquired in the black market, that would be pretty solid evidence that regulations wouldn't do .

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i dont agree with the interpretation. that almost all of these mass shootings happens with legally acquired arms only suggests that making them legally unavailable will prevent a good amount of these nuts from acquiring the weapons needed to carry out the acts. it it was more of a mixed bag, or we saw something like 90% of these mass shootings happen with guns acquired in the black market, that would be pretty solid evidence that regulations wouldn't do .

They aren't nuts until they decide to kill everyone.

Legislation won't make the weapons unavailable. It's a pipe dream to think it will. It will only make features of the weapon no longer manufactured for sale to the public, but the market is saturated already from past threats from the left to "take your guns". All legislation will do is cause the price of the gun to go up. They are already throwing their life out the window, they won't balk at a 2500.00 AR-15. They only need one. You'll be able to buy 30 round magazines off the shelf "while supplies last". Then you'll find them on Gunbroker.com or some other gun website because private sales won't be affected. Congress will never tell Americans that what they already own is now illegal, and worthless.

So since the legislators don't have the political balls to propose real changes, nothing will happen. Even when assault weapon bans were in effect, they were easy to acquire and you really only need a higher cap magazine to have the same stopping power as a .223 AR-15 from basically any centerfire weapon.

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There basically needs to be a sweep of homes to see who has a firearm legally and who has a firearm illegally. Prior to that an amnesty period needs to exist to say "if you are in possession of a firearm and cannot legally purchase one, we will buy your gun from you and you can walk away uncharged" but after that, anyone owning a firearm needs to register it at no charge, and in the process they will have to show they can legally purchase one.

That could cause problems and the FOPA restricts federal databases for firearms, but it doesn't restrict local ones. So it cannot be the ATF, it has to be local authorities.

People have to be made aware it's going to happen, they can protest and all that, but if they are legal they have nothing to worry about. It doesn't matter how many guns you own, you only need to show you own a gun and are legally allowed to have it.

Then they have to completely prohibit gun sales from person to person, all sales must go through an FFL.

That would remove a small percentage of illegally owned firearms. It wouldn't address legally owned ones where the owner could go postal. You'd need a lot more BoR violations for that.

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Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot hits back at Ted Cruz's claims about gun control

After Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) tried to use her city as an example why "gun control doesn't work,"

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot came back with a sharp response,

calling him a "coward" and telling him to get his facts straight.

Lightfoot was quick to respond.

"60 percent of illegal firearms recovered in Chicago come from outside IL,

mostly from states dominated

by coward Republicans like you who refuse to enact commonsense gun legislation," she tweeted.

"Keep our name out of your mouth."

between 2013 and 2016,

"the majority of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago

are traced back to states with less regulation over firearms, such as Indiana and Mississippi."

"But enough with the

dishonest use of our city as a cheap symbol to cover for the @gop's unwillingness to protect their cons uents."

https://theweek.com/speedreads/86269...ut-gun-control

bag Cruz knowing his bag voters will believe his lying bull

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^So then Chicago is just full of people who will cross state lines to illegally purchase a firearm.

Yeah that's so much better.

[Chucho]

They aren't nuts until they decide to kill everyone.

Legislation won't make the weapons unavailable. It's a pipe dream to think it wil

Remember, "illegal doesn't mean inaccessible" automatically = "thinking a total ban is futile" because 21 said so.

[spurraider21]

Remember, "illegal doesn't mean inaccessible" automatically = "thinking a total ban is futile" because 21 said so.

all the criminals will get guns anyway tho

[Chucho]

all the criminals will get guns anyway tho

If you say so.

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West Texas shooter failed background check after being adjudicated 'a mental defective,' sources say
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/04/us/...www.cnn.com%2F

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10784 died by drunks

[spurraider21]

10784 died by drunks

wow more than illegal immigrants!