4 dead, 30 missing after California boat fire as massive search continues

**Blake** · 09-04-2019

Lol "pragmatic" ^

**SnakeBoy** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Blake

You'll need to give a specific definition of what you mean here

Dive boats capable of carrying 30 or more passengers

See, it's easy.

**SnakeBoy** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Blake

You'll need to give a specific definition of what you mean here

Wait I changed my mind.

Any dive style boat using direct fuel injection regardless of carrying capacity

**Thread** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by mono

I’m not talking about your politics, I was referring to the cheap, hackish level of comedy. You pulled a ducks. You’re better than that.

Don't paw at me, mono, I ain't in a pawin' mood.

**DMC** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Pavlov

Looking at the layout of the boat, my guess is the fire started in the galley above the bunk room blocking the only exit for the passengers and one crew member down there. The rest of the crew were in the bridge above the galley or aft near the engine and scuba gear.

That would make sense. I've been on a boat very similar to that and the galley did sit just above the sleeping quarters. You basically go from the deck through a doorway downstairs into the sleeping Galley area that's basically a bunch of small bunk Style beds with curtains that you can draw. I could imagine in the middle of the night if that place filled up with smoke and you couldn't breathe the Panic trying to get out of there in the fire it wouldn't have taken long to kill everyone.

**MultiTroll** · 09-04-2019

Design of the boat as regards fire escape sounds pathetic.

**DMC** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Mul roll

Design of the boat as regards fire escape sounds pathetic.

Boats in general 20 miles offshore aren't great for escaping fires from.

Airplanes at 20000 feet are even worse

A $400,000 sport fishing boat that sleeps eight would be a nightmare to escape a fire from if it was blocking the single door that exits the cabin

**MultiTroll** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Pavlov

Looking at the layout of the boat, my guess is the fire started in the galley above the bunk room blocking the only exit for the passengers and one crew member down there. The rest of the crew were in the bridge above the galley or aft near the engine and scuba gear.

Rumplove,
Regarding boat design, see a comment below.

**MultiTroll** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by DMC

Boats in general 20 miles offshore aren't great for escaping fires from.

According to this atty and long time diver, this arrangement was very dangerous and not the norm:

Attorney Gordon Carey, who practices maritime law, said the captain and crew should have done what they could to put out the fire, but not to the point of losing their own lives.
"They may have an obligation to put themselves at risk, but they don't have an obligation to commit suicide and certain death to save the passengers," he said. "The captain's duty is very, very high. I don't think he has an obligation to kill himself, but he certainly has an obligation to do everything possible ... to get that fire out and to get those people out."
Carey, who is not a criminal lawyer, said it's possible the owner of the boat or captain could face charges if found criminally negligent for behavior or a design so reckless they should know peoples' lives would be at risk in the event of a fire.
Carey has been scuba diving for 50 years and has been on many long-distance voyages to exotic dive spots around the world. He said he's never been on a boat where the passengers slept below deck and he questioned why so many were crammed in a space toward the bow with only one staircase and one emergency hatch.
He said an owner or captain has to anticipate the normal range of risks — from collision to a breach of the hull to high seas to fire.
"If you have either designed or put into place an operation that, knowing the risks that are there, and fire is certainly one of them, that put people in a serious risk of dying, I guess that sort of rises to the level of what I would consider involuntary manslaughter," Carey said. "It's behaving recklessly in the face of known danger."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/investigation-to-determine-if-charges-filed-in-boat-fire/ar-AAGM2DI?ocid=spartandhp

**Pavlov** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Mul roll

According to this atty and long time diver, this arrangement was very dangerous and not the norm:

Attorney Gordon Carey, who practices maritime law, said the captain and crew should have done what they could to put out the fire, but not to the point of losing their own lives.
"They may have an obligation to put themselves at risk, but they don't have an obligation to commit suicide and certain death to save the passengers," he said. "The captain's duty is very, very high. I don't think he has an obligation to kill himself, but he certainly has an obligation to do everything possible ... to get that fire out and to get those people out."
Carey, who is not a criminal lawyer, said it's possible the owner of the boat or captain could face charges if found criminally negligent for behavior or a design so reckless they should know peoples' lives would be at risk in the event of a fire.
Carey has been scuba diving for 50 years and has been on many long-distance voyages to exotic dive spots around the world. He said he's never been on a boat where the passengers slept below deck and he questioned why so many were crammed in a space toward the bow with only one staircase and one emergency hatch.
He said an owner or captain has to anticipate the normal range of risks — from collision to a breach of the hull to high seas to fire.
"If you have either designed or put into place an operation that, knowing the risks that are there, and fire is certainly one of them, that put people in a serious risk of dying, I guess that sort of rises to the level of what I would consider involuntary manslaughter," Carey said. "It's behaving recklessly in the face of known danger."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/investigation-to-determine-if-charges-filed-in-boat-fire/ar-AAGM2DI?ocid=spartandhp

I agree there should have been an alternate exit, though it doesn't seem to be required.

So what?

You intimated the crew members that didn't die (one was in the bunk room) intentionally murdered all the divers and the crew member and destroyed the ship that provides their livelihood because reasons.

How does this boilerplate ambulance chaser screed support your conspiracy theory?

**Thread** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Pavlov

I agree there should have been an alternate exit, though it doesn't seem to be required.

So what?

You intimated the crew members that didn't die (one was in the bunk room) intentionally murdered all the divers and the crew member and destroyed the ship that provides their livelihood because reasons.

How does this boilerplate ambulance chaser screed support your conspiracy theory?

I got 1 word for ya, Pav's..."disgruntled"

**MultiTroll** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Pavlov

I agree there should have been an alternate exit, though it doesn't seem to be required.

So what?

You intimated the crew members that didn't die (one was in the bunk room) intentionally murdered all the divers and the crew member and destroyed the ship that provides their livelihood because reasons.

How does this boilerplate ambulance chaser screed support your conspiracy theory?

Have no idea what you are fabricating.
4 kids to feed thus need hit's? Anyway, anyhow?

**Pavlov** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Mul roll

Have no idea what you are fabricating.
4 kids to feed thus need hit's? Anyway, anyhow?

Have no idea what you are fabricating.

**Pavlov** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Mul roll

Why do people commit crimes?

What crime was committed here?

**MultiTroll** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Pavlov

Have no idea what you are fabricating.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery. I get that a lot on ST.

Back to the OP topic.
You were asking about reason why it might not be an accident.
1st off, I was not there and do not know for a fact what happened. I assume you were not either.

But enough irregularities / very lax preparations made that an investigation which includes ruling out murder is warranted. And is being done.

**MultiTroll** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Pavlov

What crime was committed here?

Still being investigated.
Not known at this time if a crime was committed or not.

**Pavlov** · 09-04-2019

Originally Posted by Mul roll

Imitation is the highest form of flattery. I get that a lot on ST.

Back to the OP topic.
You were asking about reason why it might not be an accident.
1st off, I was not there and do not know for a fact what happened. I assume you were not either.

But enough irregularities / very lax preparations made that an investigation which includes ruling out murder is warranted. And is being done.

why would you even think it's murder?

I've already ruled it out.

Sorry, I'm way ahead of you. Happens a lot to you.