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    Treasonous Trump Has Been Leaking US Secrets For Years

    The US had to remove one of its top assets from Russia over the fear that Donald Trump was going to give the name of the top spy to Putin.

    the United States successfully extracted from Russia one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government,

    the removal of the Russian was driven, in part, by concerns that

    President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.

    Intelligence officials again expressed concern that the President may have improperly discussed classified intelligence with Russia,

    Knowledge of the Russian covert source’s existence was highly restricted within the US government and intelligence agencies.

    there was “no equal alternative” inside the Russian government, providing both insight and information on Putin.

    Trump has mishandled classified information on a regular basis.

    Most recently,
    he leaked a classified photo of a damaged Iranian launchpad.

    Trump has broken the law by
    leaking jobs numbers, and

    he gave classified information to the Russians inside the Oval Office.

    Trump has held secret meetings alone with Putin with no translator present and has gone as far as to destroy the translator’s note on a rare occasion when a translator was in the room.

    The White House does not provide detailed readouts of Trump’s calls with Putin and

    has gone as far as not to tell the public in a timely manner when the president talks to the Russian leader.

    President Trump has been endangering lives and leaking US secrets to America’s enemies for years.

    There are so many valid cases that can be made for impeachment,

    but few are as damaging or have as many potential long term consequences as

    Trump leaking intelligence to nations that are hostile to the United States.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/09/09/trump-leaks-us-secrets.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed &utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Polit icus+USA+%29



    what else would a russian asset do?

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    & yet inexplicably Russia took off the '18 Election.

    Just shows ta go ya.
    They didn't. Their efforts are ongoing, per FBI and intelligence agencies.

    Previously, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson also warned that Russia is interfering in the 2018 midterm election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...ates_elections

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    Should a sitting US president try to force a foreign government to frame a political opponent?

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    ‘Moscow Mitch’ McConnell screwed over Kentucky miners to fund Russia-linked aluminum plant

    McConnell blocked a measure that would have funded pensions and health care for coal miners in his home state of Kentucky,

    not long after steering almost the same Treasury Department funds to an aluminum plant linked to a Russian oligarch.

    McConnell voted in January to lift sanctions on Rusal, a Russian aluminum company formerly headed by Putin ally Oleg Deripaska, and

    just days after the Treasury Department officially de-listed the company —

    it announced a $200 million investment in an aluminum plant in northeastern Kentucky.

    While Rusal was lobbying the Trump administration to remove sanctions,

    the Kentucky Republican was pushing for federal funds to be used to help build the Braidy plant near Ashland, back in his home state.

    McConnell and other Kentucky lawmakers, including Rep. Harold Rogers (R-KY), helped steer $4 million away from sewer and road repair in October 2018 to preparing for construction on the aluminum plant.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/moscow-mitch-mcconnell-screwed-over-kentucky-miners-to-fund-russia-linked-aluminum-plant-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1415

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/mitch-mcconnell-blocked-millions-for-coal-miners-steered-funds-to-russian-backed-plant?ref=home




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    Trump’s ‘confiscation’ of notes from private Putin meeting set off alarm bells over spy’s safety

    American intelligence officials grew more concerned after Trump held a private meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    not only were intel officials concerned about Trump exposing sensitive information in the Oval Office with Russian officials,

    but they grew concerned when he confiscated his interpreter’s transcripts from his Putin meeting.

    this decision happened at a time of broad concern in the intelligence community about the president’s handling of intelligence, and

    it did not end with that Oval Office meeting.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/trumps-confiscation-of-notes-from-private-putin-meeting-set-off-alarm-bells-for-us-intel-officials-over-spys-safety-cnns-sciutto/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1415

    So Trash outted a US spy close to Pootin.

    Pootin didn't have to kill or banish the spy.

    The US spy peopleve removed the spy, was just as effective.

    Trash's secret meetings with Pootin are grounds for impeachment.

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    Treasonous Trump Has Been Leaking US Secrets For Years

    The US had to remove one of its top assets from Russia over the fear that Donald Trump was going to give the name of the top spy to Putin.

    the United States successfully extracted from Russia one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government,

    the removal of the Russian was driven, in part, by concerns that

    President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.

    Intelligence officials again expressed concern that the President may have improperly discussed classified intelligence with Russia,

    Knowledge of the Russian covert source’s existence was highly restricted within the US government and intelligence agencies.

    there was “no equal alternative” inside the Russian government, providing both insight and information on Putin.

    Trump has mishandled classified information on a regular basis.

    Most recently,
    he leaked a classified photo of a damaged Iranian launchpad.

    Trump has broken the law by
    leaking jobs numbers, and

    he gave classified information to the Russians inside the Oval Office.

    Trump has held secret meetings alone with Putin with no translator present and has gone as far as to destroy the translator’s note on a rare occasion when a translator was in the room.

    The White House does not provide detailed readouts of Trump’s calls with Putin and

    has gone as far as not to tell the public in a timely manner when the president talks to the Russian leader.

    President Trump has been endangering lives and leaking US secrets to America’s enemies for years.

    There are so many valid cases that can be made for impeachment,

    but few are as damaging or have as many potential long term consequences as

    Trump leaking intelligence to nations that are hostile to the United States.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/09/09/trump-leaks-us-secrets.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed &utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Polit icus+USA+%29


    the Obama admin tried to extract him first


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    Probably not that big tbh.

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    government's opposition briefing is due in 2 weeks... we'll get their side of the story in writing then. judge will hold the hearing and make rulings on october 31

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    I generally agree Russia's efforts had little overall effect, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. The question is, whether we should put up with active efforts of an intelligence agency of a foreign government to attack the very idea of democracy itself. Western liberal democracy is under threat from authoritarian regimes. That is important.

    Denying the scope or existence of that problem will not address it.

    There is also the matter that the sitting president appears to be actively compromised by that same government.

    But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

    The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

    Fact 1:
    Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

    Fact 2:
    Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened, and has gone so far as to take the extraordinary effort to delegitimize his own intelligence services when they something did happen. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

    Fact 3:
    Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

    Fact 4:
    Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

    Fact 5:
    Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

    Fact 6:
    Donald Trump has gone out of his way to meet and talk with Putin privately in person, with no American witnesses. This is the only leader with which he has acted in this manner.

    Fact 7:
    Donald Trump, when forced to sign a bipartisan sanctions bill passed with a veto-proof majority of both houses of Congress, issued a signing statement saying most of it was uncons utional, and that his administration would enforce it as little as possible.


    Fact 8:
    when Russia retaliated against sanctions by forcing the US embassy to cut staff, Trump thanked Putin for the action, making him look weak, something he has said one should never do, and is inconsistent with his past behavior in any other regard.

    Theory:
    Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.

    This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

    Prediction:
    Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


    The way to falsify the theory:
    1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
    2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

    Bull conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

    Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia
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    xylophone
    So years on, we still have no instance of Trump criticizing Putin, even weakly.

    We have no concrete action undertaken or initiated directly by Trump that harms Russian interests.

    We have Trump actively lobbying the G7 to invite Putin back, and our intel agencies having to pull assets out of the Kremlin to protect them from compromise by this administration.

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    "I generally agree Russia's efforts had little overall effect,"

    ... but in WI, PA, MI, a little overall effect of highly targeted messaging was sufficient to shift enough votes to Trush. He won MI by 10K votes, and 78K votes in those 3 states whose EC votes elected him. Comey of course played a major role 10 days before the election, as did Kock Bros.





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    So years on, we still have no instance of Trump criticizing Putin, even weakly.

    We have no concrete action undertaken or initiated directly by Trump that harms Russian interests.

    We have Trump actively lobbying the G7 to invite Putin back, and our intel agencies having to pull assets out of the Kremlin to protect them from compromise by this administration.
    ... and held secret meetings with American enemy Pootin, destroying the translator's transcript.

    Obviously, this was completely innocent (and impeachable)

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    We have no concrete action undertaken or initiated directly by Trump that harms Russian interests.

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    What do you think is the most concrete thing that this administration has done that runs counter to Russian interests?

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    ... and please provide the strongest criticism of Vladimir Putin offered by Trump.

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1UQ22D

    Senate panel backs Nord Stream 2 pipeline sanctions bill

    This is a good example of what would falsify my theory, if Trump were to sign it, or enforce the sanctions.

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    What do you think is the most concrete thing that this administration has done that runs counter to Russian interests?
    take your pick

    Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

    Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

    U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

    Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

    Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

    Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

    Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

    US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

    Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

    Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

    U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

    Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

    Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

    Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

    Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

    American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

    Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

    Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

    Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

    Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

    Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

    Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

    Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

    Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

    Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

    U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

    Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

    Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

    US Sanctions Chinese En y Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

    Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

    Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

    Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

    Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

    2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1UQ22D

    Senate panel backs Nord Stream 2 pipeline sanctions bill

    This is a good example of what would falsify my theory, if Trump were to sign it, or enforce the sanctions.
    April 2018, Trump is ahead of the Senate panel

    Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany

    - At White House meeting with presidents of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Trump objects to Germany's support for project

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/fina...-germany/19506

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    take your pick

    Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017
    More than 50 units of military equipment including four battle tanks and 15 infantry fighting vehicles, were delivered to Tapa, northern Estonia
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...r-Putin-threat



    Oooh, I bet Putin's shakin in his boots.

    Fail, and not material harm to Russian interests, unless you are an idiot.

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    April 2018, Trump is ahead of the Senate panel

    Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany

    - At White House meeting with presidents of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Trump objects to Germany's support for project

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/fina...-germany/19506
    That would fully qualify, were he actually to do something, other than criticize germany.

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    take your pick

    Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017
    --Virtually no damage to Syrian ally. Not material.

    U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017
    Seems to hurt Exxon more than the Russians, who are facing the prospect of too much oil in the markets. This would simply mean lower oil prices. Fail.

    Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017
    Trump saying "please buy our natural gas" Doesn't really rise to material harm to Russian interests. Again, not really material.

    Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017
    Trump saying "please buy our natural gas" Doesn't really rise to material harm to Russian interests. Again, not really material.

    Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017
    Bill passed with veto-proof majority. Signing statement said that they would drag their feet and they have. Trump's only action in regards to this was in Russia's favor. More fail.

    Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017
    Not initiated by Trump, and not really material either.

    US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017
    Response to Russian actions, and again, not material.

    Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017
    "included as part of a broader defense policy spending bill that Trump signed, reinforces a directive issued by the Trump administration in September that civilian agencies remove Kaspersky Lab software within 90 days."
    --best yet, but hardly material to Russian economy.


    Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017
    --Putin has quietly abandoned his allies, and as noted the sales are not really overly material to the situation on the ground. Sales of hundreds of battle tanks, or dozens of war planes might qualify, but small arms won't change the balance of power.

    U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017
    State Department, not Trump.

    Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018
    Not initiated by Trump, and not really material either.

    Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018
    "Russia is not helping us at all with North Korea," Trump told Reuters Wednesday. "What China is helping us with, Russia is denting. In other words, Russia is making up for some of what China is doing."
    --neither a material action, nor really a criticism.
    You had a whole list ready to go. That's funny. I will get to the rest later.

    Nothing here really materially harms Russian interests. Weak sauce criticisms, indirect actions against everybody BUT Russia, and sanctions that were initiated at the cabinet level or lower.

    You tried, but your criteria for "material" is laughably low.

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    April 2018, Trump is ahead of the Senate panel

    Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany

    - At White House meeting with presidents of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Trump objects to Germany's support for project

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/fina...-germany/19506
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...eaction-708853

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