How to convince Derrick White to become 6th man?

[sasaint]

After I had a short discussion with a Spurs staffer this afternoon, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Forbes in the starting lineup to start the season. I asked the staffer how Dijounte was, and he said great. I asked if he expected Murray to be 100% by the All-Star break, and he tilted his head and gave me a kind of quizzical look and just said Murray looks great now. I said that was great news; many fans are excited to see Murray and White together. With no hesitation he said, ”Don’t forget about Forbes. He looks really good!”

[GusT15]

After I had a short discussion with a Spurs staffer this afternoon, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Forbes in the starting lineup to start the season. I asked the staffer how Dijounte was, and he said great. I asked if he expected Murray to be 100% by the All-Star break, and he tilted his head and gave me a kind of quizzical look and just said Murray looks great now. I said that was great news; many fans are excited to see Murray and White together. With no hesitation he said, ”Don’t forget about Forbes. He looks really good!”

Pop is going to use Murray/Forbes and off the bench White/Mills isn't he?

I mean,it's expected in a way as the "safe" option (undersized SG that can shoot the 3 for both line ups and a good defensive guard to cover for the SG in the perimeter)...

The problem is that,just like last year,that guard rotation,when you add DDR's defense,has a low ceiling in the playoffs.

Only one thing can up this team's ceiling and that's if somehow LW4 breaks out as a two-way dynamo and patches up the holes.
(Which i can't see happening this year.Maybe in 2021)

[C-Dub]

White game benefit's the bench unit the best than sitting behind the 3pt line in the starting unit which he would because you have 2 iso players in DDR and LMA plus DJM, who needs the ball in his hand to be most effective. The bench unit has more cutters and players that aren't iso but more movement which will fit great with White's game because he's a better floor general than DJM. Both DJM and White are better all around players than Mill and Forbes by far but will benefit the team best by not starting the games together but you best believe they both will finish the games together. It's not always about who starts but it is always 100% about who finishes.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I think most likely it’ll be

dejounte/White
bryn/patty
demar/Lonnie
carrol/Rudy
LA/Jakob

with guys like Trey lyles, belly, the rookies, metu playing end of the bench roles

This will most likely be how the season starts off or Pop will roll with the starters for most of last playoffs/season and adjust accordingly.

[cd021]

I think most likely it’ll be

dejounte/White
bryn/patty
demar/Lonnie
carrol/Rudy
LA/Jakob

with guys like Trey lyles, belly, the rookies, metu playing end of the bench roles

White would be the shooting guard in that rotation because there is more minutes available behind Forbes than Murray though White would still be the primary ball handler in the second unit. See Forbes starting and playing around 20-22 minutes a game while White would play around 26 to 28 minutes a game.

Walker probably starts the season off behind Belinelli with Pop finding ways of giving him minutes in starting him in games Forbes, DeRozan, or Murray misses to get him minutes without having to bench Belinelli until after the All-Star break- if at all.

Belinelli fits better with second unit but Walker has the upside potential. Walker could still end up playing a lot of minutes this season without actually ever becoming a part of the rotation.

[Namundy]

If we re-sign DeMar, the question is going to flip to how we convince him to become a sixth man soon.

[FkLA]

White gets disrespected all the ing time so sure why not, let's add his coach to the list of people disrespecting him too.

[TD 21]

I don't think it'll take much convincing because he'll still likely play a similar role to last season, only leading the 2nd unit, he'll have stretches where he get's to be more of a focal point.

White game benefit's the bench unit the best than sitting behind the 3pt line in the starting unit which he would because you have 2 iso players in DDR and LMA plus DJM, who needs the ball in his hand to be most effective. The bench unit has more cutters and players that aren't iso but more movement which will fit great with White's game because he's a better floor general than DJM. Both DJM and White are better all around players than Mill and Forbes by far but will benefit the team best by not starting the games together but you best believe they both will finish the games together. It's not always about who starts but it is always 100% about who finishes.

The same reason they probably can't start together is the same reason they probably can't close together. That's the problem with this roster, their projected 5 best players are probably untenable together, which means squeezing specialists into roles they have no business being in and constant mixing/matching to adjust to the opposition.

White gets disrespected all the ing time so sure why not, let's add his coach to the list of people disrespecting him too.

You'd think a Spurs fan of all people would know not starting is not disrespectful. If and when he comes off the bench, it'll be because it's best for the team. He'll still probably average mid-high 20s minutes and generally close.

[sasaint]

The same reason they probably can't start together is the same reason they probably can't close together. That's the problem with this roster, their projected 5 best players are probably untenable together, which means squeezing specialists into roles they have no business being in and constant mixing/matching to adjust to the opposition.

Yep. Plus we have too many young guys in the backcourt to hold on to in a year or two, especially if PATFO decides to re-sign Dumbmar. I expect the pecking order will get sorted out this season, and then PATFO will make a move for a real SF.

[weeks]

You'd think a Spurs fan of all people would know not starting is not disrespectful. If and when he comes off the bench, it'll be because it's best for the team. He'll still probably average mid-high 20s minutes and generally close.

c'mon you know FkLa

he still hates Parker coz Manu didn't start.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Teach him to start shooting three pointers, shooting with his left hand, and throwing passes between the other team's legs.

[sasaint]

Pop is going to use Murray/Forbes and off the bench White/Mills isn't he?

I mean,it's expected in a way as the "safe" option (undersized SG that can shoot the 3 for both line ups and a good defensive guard to cover for the SG in the perimeter)...

The problem is that,just like last year,that guard rotation,when you add DDR's defense,has a low ceiling in the playoffs.

Only one thing can up this team's ceiling and that's if somehow LW4 breaks out as a two-way dynamo and patches up the holes.
(Which i can't see happening this year.Maybe in 2021)

I suspect that Forbes will start at SG. I think the question mark is PG. I personally prefer White because I think he is a truer PG. Plus, I think I like the White/Forbes and Dijon/Mills combos better than the Dijon/Forbes and White/Mills combos.

If Pop starts Dijon/Forbes, I expect White to sub in for Forbes at SG to play alongside Dijon and get some looks without the ball and hopefully get his 3-ball off to a good start. Then, after a few minutes, Mills would sub in for Murray, and White would move over to PG.

[exstatic]

I can almost guarantee Murray and White are not starting together. One is going to have to lead the second unit, and if I learned anything the Spurs like to have a stronger second unit than the completion.
Murray/White
Forbes/Mills
Demarr/Walker
Gay/Carroll
Aldridge/Jakob

Call it the Pistons plan. They started 2 PGs, Isaiah and Dumars, and one of them would go to the bench when Vinnie J entered the game for scoring. Dumars could score or distribute, so you always had a PG on the floor, in spite of the fact that you started two of them.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I can’t believe we sign trash like Carrol

[tbdog]

Carrol will be good for us. He is a rotational, playoff worthy player. And plays a position we desperately needed.

[monty4329]

We haven't yet seen Murray. We don't even know how many minutes he can play.

Ideally, on the floor I'd like to see White/Patty and Murray/Forbes

[Larry O]

Yeah, with the combinations of Murray/Forbs (starting) & White/Mills (2nd unit) will give the team both defense and scoring in the back court, which I'm sure is what this team will do anyways in this case.

[SAGirl]

After I had a short discussion with a Spurs staffer this afternoon, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Forbes in the starting lineup to start the season. I asked the staffer how Dijounte was, and he said great. I asked if he expected Murray to be 100% by the All-Star break, and he tilted his head and gave me a kind of quizzical look and just said Murray looks great now. I said that was great news; many fans are excited to see Murray and White together. With no hesitation he said, ”Don’t forget about Forbes. He looks really good!”

Definitely sounds like Forbes is cementing his role. I haven't been a fan of his bc Pop over-relied on him a ton, but he is probably the team's best shooter and has come a long way in gaining confidence. The team's stars need spacing and I prefer him to Marco and Mills. Plus, I suspect Trey Lyles is not as good of a shooter anyways and will struggle with inconsistent play.

Without reading too much into the Dejounte comment, I'd guess DJ looks healthy and in terrific shape (no leaps of faith required, he has looked great in his videos). I imagine he is probably playing as well as he was prior to the injury, which is great news, but it doesn't tell us anything about any leaps with his shooting for example, and if there are any, they are likely to be moderate, not in the level required for someone to space the floor for Derozan and LMA.

Thanks for the info.

I suspect some fans here are going to balk when Bryn gets paid next summer. So much noise has been made about Dejounte and White and everyone forgets Bryn is also due to get paid. I do think not all these guys will stay in the team beyond the next season or two, but I have said that b4.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Definitely sounds like Forbes is cementing his role. I haven't been a fan of his bc Pop over-relied on him a ton, but he is probably the team's best shooter and has come a long way in gaining confidence. The team's stars need spacing and I prefer him to Marco and Mills. Plus, I suspect Trey Lyles is not as good of a shooter anyways and will struggle with inconsistent play.

Without reading too much into the Dejounte comment, I'd guess DJ looks healthy and in terrific shape (no leaps of faith required, he has looked great in his videos). I imagine he is probably playing as well as he was prior to the injury, which is great news, but it doesn't tell us anything about any leaps with his shooting for example, and if there are any, they are likely to be moderate, not in the level required for someone to space the floor for Derozan and LMA.

Thanks for the info.

I suspect some fans here are going to balk when Bryn gets paid next summer. So much noise has been made about Dejounte and White and everyone forgets Bryn is also due to get paid. I do think not all these guys will stay in the team beyond the next season or two, but I have said that b4.

I agree on Forbes also getting a nice pay day next season and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s with the Spurs. I know it’s gonna piss a lot of people off on here but I can see it in the making unless he totally s the bed this season.

Hopefully Walker proves his summer league play was only a precursor of what’s to come this season and earns a decent amount of playing time

[sasaint]

Definitely sounds like Forbes is cementing his role. I haven't been a fan of his bc Pop over-relied on him a ton, but he is probably the team's best shooter and has come a long way in gaining confidence. The team's stars need spacing and I prefer him to Marco and Mills. Plus, I suspect Trey Lyles is not as good of a shooter anyways and will struggle with inconsistent play.

Without reading too much into the Dejounte comment, I'd guess DJ looks healthy and in terrific shape (no leaps of faith required, he has looked great in his videos). I imagine he is probably playing as well as he was prior to the injury, which is great news, but it doesn't tell us anything about any leaps with his shooting for example, and if there are any, they are likely to be moderate, not in the level required for someone to space the floor for Derozan and LMA.

Thanks for the info.

I suspect some fans here are going to balk when Bryn gets paid next summer. So much noise has been made about Dejounte and White and everyone forgets Bryn is also due to get paid. I do think not all these guys will stay in the team beyond the next season or two, but I have said that b4.

Whenever I have those encounters with Spurs staffers, I try not to pump them for info; I just accept the nugget or two they volunteer. And I am hesitant to post much here. But I thought his volunteering the info about Bryn without any prior mention of his name was pretty significant.

I am really torn. I sort of expect Bryn to take Patty’s spot on the roster, but it is hard for me to imagine Pop’s moving Patty. I do not expect one or (possibly) two of our young guys to be here long-term. But how Pop clears out the log-jam in the backcourt is a conundrum. I have no idea how Pop will resolve it. I would like to believe Dumbmar, Patty and Marco will be moved after this season. I think that would allow us to keep all of the young guys together for at least another season before hard decisions would need to be made. (I do believe Pop will pay Bryn if he continues to play as well as he did at the end of last season.) That scenario only bothers me because I would like for us to move those three and acquire a legit SF sooner than the end of next season.

[RC_Drunkford]

Call it the Pistons plan. They started 2 PGs, Isaiah and Dumars, and one of them would go to the bench when Vinnie J entered the game for scoring. Dumars could score or distribute, so you always had a PG on the floor, in spite of the fact that you started two of them.

did they also have an overrated midget on the bench who could neither score nor defend but got paid 50 Million?

[tbdog]

That midget tore Team USA up.

[sananspursfan21]

How do we know it would take any ‘convincing’? Why do we always assume these guys’ egos? You guys did the same for Tony Parker and he really didn’t have a problem playing second fiddle when the time came. Has anyone talked to Derrick White about this? Did anyone get his thoughts?

[FkLA]

That midget tore Team USA up.

And shot 20% from the field, 10% from 3 against Denver.

[RC_Drunkford]

That midget tore Team USA up.

so did Evan Fournier. Does that make him a good NBA Player?