What are you claiming Rudy has been doing in Ukraine?
I have, multiple times.
https://heinonline.org/HOL/PDFsearch...n&from=dropbox
If not, do a google search for: 67 Geo. Wash. L. Rev. 712 (1998-1999). Second hit
and lol 1998
Yes it does. Being involved in an investigation is investigating.
Really cutting words with a semantic laser here aren't we?
Sure it does. It backs up the claim that Trump asked a foreign leader to, with the assistance of his personal attorney, conduct a (criminal) investigation into a political opponent.
But your "nuh uh" is super compelling tho
Echoes of The Old Lesbian's early panic that "ISIS and Ebola are coming to destroy us all"
Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because
impeachment ‘is about to destroy this nation’
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/lin...y-this-nation/
Yeah you keep reposting broken links
And of course semantics and words matter in law LOL being involved in an investigation does not = being an investigator. Not in this planet
you should FaceBook Stalk DJT into participating tbh
Why Trump is too arrogant to be impeached and will probably resign
“He’s in too much legal jeopardy in too many places,
including NY, and
all those civil suits,
including the NY AG suing the Trump Foundation for self-dealing and cheating the charity,” Kanefield argued.
“Nixon’s legal jeopardy, in contrast, was narrow.”
Rangappa said she would “respectfully disagree.”
“I think we underestimate the narcissistic injury that the stain of impeachment would leave on Trump’s psyche.
He can’t tolerate it….he’d rather ‘quit,'”
believes that the details could be worked out for
Trump to resign from office in return for a “Get Out of Jail Free” card.
“As Teri notes, though, the costs of resigning are high: He faces certain prosecution in state, if not federal, courts,” she noted.
“Is there a way to “make a deal”?
He, himself, can pardon his kids.
And he can get an assurance that VP Pence will pardon him, a la Nixon.
Getting NY to get on board is trickier (neither he nor Pence can’t pardon state crimes), but [in my opinion], worth it.”
“This dude poses an existential threat to our democracy.
He endangers our national security.
He will burn the whole place down if he continues.
This is the trade off for the pipe dream that somehow he and the Traitor Tots are going to be led off in orange jumpsuits,” she continued.
“Get him out.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/why-trump-is-too-arrogant-to-be-impeached-and-will-probably-resign/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1679
Use your google.Yeah you keep reposting broken links
And of course semantics and words matter in law LOL being involved in an investigation does not = being an investigator. Not in this planet
What the transcript says and what Rudy is doing is not a question of law.
Asking to have your personal lawyer involved in a foreign country's investigation of a political opponent is an abuse of power. LOL
Just post the text you are referring to tbqh
So now the transcript is not question of law, Rudy is not investigating and we went from likely presidential opponent to political opponent
your premise is changing faster than Joe Bidens poll numbers
The first one he posted works.Yeah you keep reposting broken links
https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPa...v=31&id=&page=
What are you saying Rudy has been doing in Ukraine?And of course semantics and words matter in law LOL being involved in an investigation does not = being an investigator. Not in this planet
This is a common tactic used by the Left to end the conversation or debate.
Watch Rudy Giuliani completely lose it on Fox while shouting that his fake scandal implicates Obama
President Donald Trump’s defense attorney loudly argued that former President Barack Obama may be implicated in the widely-debunked conspiracy theory about Joe Biden and Ukraine.
Fox Business host Trish Regan asked Rudy Giuliani why Trump was involved in any way with attempting to get multiple foreign countries to dig up dirt on Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.
“Because if he doesn’t do it, who is going to vindicate the laws of the United States of America?” Giuliani replied.
a new twist in his conspiracy theory, that Obama was involved.
“The reason the Democrats are fighting so hard is because it’s going further than Joe Biden,”
“Do you think Obama just turned his back on this?
If he turned his back on this, what else did he turn his back on?
It’s almost impossible to turn your back on this,” Giuliani argued.
“Now, I don’t know how far it goes, but I know it goes further than Joe Biden,” Giuliani said.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/watch-rudy-giuliani-completely-lose-it-on-fox-while-shouting-that-his-fake-scandal-implicates-obama/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29
yes, further and right up to Julie Annie who was also trying score some $Ms in Ukraine.
============================
Profit, not politics: Trash allies sought Ukraine gas deal
a group of individuals with ties to the president and his personal lawyer were also active in the former Soviet republic.
This circle of businessmen and Republican donors touted connections to Giuliani and Trump while trying to install new management at the top of Ukraine’s massive state gas company.
Their plan was to then steer lucrative contracts to companies controlled by Trump allies,
The Trump and Giuliani allies driving the attempt to change the senior management at Naftogaz, however, appear to have had inside knowledge of the U.S. government’s plans in Ukraine.
For example, they told people that Trump would replace the U.S. ambassador (done!) there months before she was actually recalled to Washington,
One of the individuals said he was so concerned by the whole affair that
he reported it to a U.S. Embassy official in Ukraine months ago.
etc ...
https://apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2
Giving a link that works several times and then saying how to find a do ent on google is a leftist tactic to end debate?
Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP
17:43, 09.10.2019 4 min read
KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.
Derkach publicized do ents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.
"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.
He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.
"According to the do ents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014]," Derkach said.
"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.
"Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015 was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma. Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a who was fired'," Derkach said.
The timeline of events proves that the U.S. linked the Zlochevsky case to loan guarantees, he said.
After the decree dismissing Shokin was published on April 3, 2016, the governments of the United States and Ukraine signed a loan guarantee agreement worth $1 billion, several months later, on June 3, he said.
"In this case, there are facts should be subject to investigation. There is an agency that has powers to investigate them; the U.S. Department of Justice. If the Ukrainian Prosecutor General signs do ents and send them to U.S. Department of Justice without any requests, he will accomplish his mission," he said, adding that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General has such powers.
"Considering international corruption in public is a way-out for President Zelensky. I am certain that he is not involved in international corruption," Derkach said.
It was reported earlier that Derkach publicized correspondence between the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and officers of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. According to publicized correspondence, starting from July 14, 2017, the lists of criminal proceedings undertaken by NABU officers were sent from the electronic mailbox of Polina Chyzh, an assistant to NABU first deputy head Gizo Uglava, to the electronic mailbox of Hanna Yemelianova, a legal specialist of the anti-corruption program of the U.S. Justice Department at U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.
Derkach also said that NABU-leak materials will be published on his Facebook account and materials that he got from investigating journalists have already been passed to Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigations and the Prosecutor's General Office.
He also said he will initiate the creation of an ad hoc parliamentary investigative commission and has already requested launching a criminal case against Ukrainian officials into interference into U.S. elections. The court session is scheduled for October 21, he said.
Burisma Holdings is a Cyprus-registered gas producing company holding assets in Ukraine. It is one of Ukraine's top-three independent gas producers headquartered in Kyiv. Zlochevsky is the founder and the ultimate beneficiary owner of the company.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/pres...mpression=true
As soon as he resigns, he will face criminal charges from the Mueller report. That should be fun to watch.
Let me guess -- a former Party of Regions member?Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP
17:43, 09.10.2019 4 min read
KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.
Derkach publicized do ents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.
"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.
He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.
"According to the do ents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014]," Derkach said.
"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.
"Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015 was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma. Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a who was fired'," Derkach said.
The timeline of events proves that the U.S. linked the Zlochevsky case to loan guarantees, he said.
After the decree dismissing Shokin was published on April 3, 2016, the governments of the United States and Ukraine signed a loan guarantee agreement worth $1 billion, several months later, on June 3, he said.
"In this case, there are facts should be subject to investigation. There is an agency that has powers to investigate them; the U.S. Department of Justice. If the Ukrainian Prosecutor General signs do ents and send them to U.S. Department of Justice without any requests, he will accomplish his mission," he said, adding that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General has such powers.
"Considering international corruption in public is a way-out for President Zelensky. I am certain that he is not involved in international corruption," Derkach said.
It was reported earlier that Derkach publicized correspondence between the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and officers of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. According to publicized correspondence, starting from July 14, 2017, the lists of criminal proceedings undertaken by NABU officers were sent from the electronic mailbox of Polina Chyzh, an assistant to NABU first deputy head Gizo Uglava, to the electronic mailbox of Hanna Yemelianova, a legal specialist of the anti-corruption program of the U.S. Justice Department at U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.
Derkach also said that NABU-leak materials will be published on his Facebook account and materials that he got from investigating journalists have already been passed to Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigations and the Prosecutor's General Office.
He also said he will initiate the creation of an ad hoc parliamentary investigative commission and has already requested launching a criminal case against Ukrainian officials into interference into U.S. elections. The court session is scheduled for October 21, he said.
Burisma Holdings is a Cyprus-registered gas producing company holding assets in Ukraine. It is one of Ukraine's top-three independent gas producers headquartered in Kyiv. Zlochevsky is the founder and the ultimate beneficiary owner of the company.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/pres...mpression=true
I'm going to
"affiliated with"
I asked you plain questions and you answered right up to the point where we started establishing facts around Trumps actual conduct, and posted the links to those answers repeatedly.
The only thing you are doing here is simply accusing me of what you yourself are guilty, a common propaganda trick.
I doubt I will ever get to why you feel the need to lie about things like this.
It is a bit funny that you think I have to lie about what you said. You shoot yourself in the without any help from my part.
Feel free to actually show how specifically I lied. I have already proven you are dishonest, once you stopped answering simple good faith questions, just like Cosmored does when clinging to his theories.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 10-09-2019 at 05:58 PM.
but... hypotheticals!!!!
Hillary's emails!!!
LOOK OVER THERE IT IS A SQUIRREL!!!
IF THE SUBPEONA DOES NOT REACH YOU CAN'T IMPEACH!!!
I am thoroughly enjoying watching these people themselves.
Daily dose of irony achieved.
Seems he was only asked to find out why the investigation stopped not to conduct an investigation on Hunter Biden. It could have just as easily been to exonerate Joe Biden from the claims although we both know that's not the case.
Why is the president’s personal lawyer, who is not a government employee and therefore not involved in any official investigation, being included in an official investigation?
I see vy65 straightened out the legal question(s), thanks... Hopefully some of the ignorants here that kept repeating stuff out of their asses thank him too for taking the time.
This is a political process, as has been said over and over. Congress has ultimate authority in this process, and while I'm sure the executive will try to force things into the judicial (perhaps finding a friendly judge here or there), they should be short-lived, as there's a separation of powers issue at play here, and Congress is most definitely cons utionally allowed to check on the executive.
Furthermore, as this involved a matter of national security, Totten likely applies and very likely overrides other privileges like attorney-client.
They're different kind of stupid, tbh. Dubya was the "you can talk him into anything" kind of stupid. Trump is the prototypical ignorant moron.
I won't nitpick on how you rank them, tbh, I just really dislike the latter kind.
Why NOT have a vote in the house?
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