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When you come back, you'll find this thread to still be the same way you left it.
Because the 4X ST MVP knows!
Derp: Major levels of corruption!
Other posters: What happened?
Derp: Things!
Other posters: What things?
Derp: BAD THINGS!
It's always raised. But he definitely waves it more furiously.
Stimulus? Scam.
Bailouts? Scam.
Obamacare? Scam.
Wars? Scams.
Spying on Americans? Scandal.
Sunshine on govt? BS.
Fast And Furious? Scandal.
American citizen? BS.
Unmasking? Of course he would do that.
The list goes on. Dude was always a puppet.
What bailouts? IIRC, Bush signed both the banks bailout and the carmarker bailouts.
Obama was most definitely an American citizen.
Stimulus was, IMO, highly effective. Proof is in the great economic turnaround during his tenure.
Now, I don’t know what’s the bar on relative corruption level, thus why I was asking what’s the barometer here. If I had to rank his administration against previous and next in levels of corruption, I’ll probably put his just about the same as Dubya, and much much less than the current one, tbh (which doesn’t mean it was minor, the current administration has serious corruption problems raising to impeachment levels, which are quite large)
That said, I’m in agreement he was largely a JP Morgan puppet tbh
Bush was corrupt, so it's okay for Obama
Stimulus was cronyism.no "shovel ready jobs". Somehow that lie gets a pass.
Dubya was corrupt AF, too. The shame about Obama is that he completely set back the lofty stated ideals of Democrats. I don't think there's going to be a return to that for that party in my lifetime. They're stuck in the muck for decades to come.
I didn’t say neither dubya or Obama’s administrations were corrupt, the exact opposite actually. You don’t need to make stuff up to make your point.
However, neither at least admitted to it, like this administration, which brazenly does things like the emoluments and now Ukraine. I mean it’s so brazen they even have the gill to claim in front of judges that the president cannot be criminally indicted for previous or current crimes (an argument that, even if correct, it’s the door opener for any kind of corruption). We’re not even talking president collaborators here, somebody gone rogue, but the actual standards set by this re .
Your feelings about Obama’s birth certificate don’t really matter. It just really makes you look like a complete ignorant (which is obviously your choice). I mean, not only it’s been available, it would’ve been extremely easy for your conspira friend to sue and unmask him if it was fraudulent in any way. This is pure logic. I invite you to post evidence to the contrary, I promise to scrutinize it and not outright laugh at it.
I understand that your hate for anything Democrat tints your view. Nothing wrong with that, Wild Cobra was pretty much the same. However, it’s important to recognize it when doing your analysis. I’ve admitted my complete disdain for social conservatism, but I do recognize certain utilitarian values out of it (ie: family).
You never answered about the bailouts or stimulus...
You clearly have no idea what corruption is, then.
Of course we all know what corruption is.
It presents itself in a lot of different forms, but at its core it’s dishonest and/or fraudulent behavior of those in power. That’s pretty much the dictionary definition.
Exactly. Obama was quite dishonest and fraudulent.Of course we all know what corruption is.
It presents itself in a lot of different forms, but at its core it’s dishonest and/or fraudulent behavior of those in power. That’s pretty much the dictionary definition.
I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but not sure how that disagrees with my assessment.
serious economists who studied the bailouts, TARP, etc estimated 3M jobs were saved.
But the right wing hate media/Repug/oligarchy strategy messaging is that govt For The People is bad, cannot do any good, therefore up govt and privatize everything.
BigFinance still stole about 4M homes forcing people out of mortgages into no-equity renting, people moving into rental increased demand that increased the rates, forcing 100K of people into homelessness.
America is ed and (non-violently) un able
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