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    I'm not saying it's right or wrong but Pop has always been like this with young players. I remember how he used to make Tony Parker cry during his first few years in the league.
    It depends on the young player tbh, he didn't do it with Kawhi or Murray, he pulled them aside and pointed out mistakes.

    For players like Green, he'd pull him out and yell at him and then send him back into the game. He did that one game against the Wolves where Green had already hit 4 threes but made like 5 mistakes. He pulled him, yelled at him, and sent him back in. Green responded by hitting 4 more 3s and much smarter.

    He wants them to see and learn from their mistakes, if that player doesn't then I think that;s where he loses patience.

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    What boneheaded plays? Can you specifically point to what he did this game? Shouldn't be hard since he only played 4 minutes.
    The foul on Harrell was pretty stupid and resulted in and 1. They were a few possession where Lonnie failed to switch properly on the defensive end. He committed total of 2 fouls in 5 minutes which is pretty bad.

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    To those complaining about Lonnie not getting enough minutes: tonight was NOT the game to have a young unproven player work through his mistakes. It was a game where he had to make the most of his limited minutes and prove to Pop and the team that he's ready to earn more time...and he was not ready and horrible in those 4 minutes. It was discouraging to see. He looked like a G-Leaguer on a 10 day contract. He has a ways to go, at least for a game like tonight. Against tomorrow's Warriors? Sure, let him show us what he can do. What upsets me more than anything is the possibility that Carroll was a complete waste of a signing.

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    Lonnie played horribly though.

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    What has LMA won? DeRozan? PG is by far better than them and there is no logical argument otherwise. Even if you want to call PG soft or a choker or overrated, that’s totally fine. But LMA/DeRozan are that too plus less talented.
    No he's not he's a better defender. Paul George ran from the ball and quit on his team in those 2017 playoffs vs the Cavs then came back and got embarrassed by Joe Ingles the next year.

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    To be fair, Mills and Belli, although traffic cones, space the floor adequately, know the ins and outs of the offense, know how to play in a system, etc... those things Lonnie doesn't at the time. As much as people like to hate on Pop, he's great at developing players. He doesn't give them anything they don't deserve. There's no en lement. I hate that he plays his guys over the obvious lineups but I understand. He's an old school coach. All in all, I'd like to see better rotations as well like DJ and White and Carroll taking some of Beli's minutes but as far as the Lonnie cries, they are severely unwarranted. You want Pop to play gum shoe players and cost games that's you not me. Lonnie tonight had two sequences where he flunked. He gave an and 1 in the first half and an and 1 in the second. In the first half Pop did indeed give him some slack. He just didn't in the second. It's ashamed but it's the right call for how he coaches and develops. 4 minutes and -6. You could say it's who he played with but i'd assume the -6 was exactly to two and 1's he gave up for fouling. We should be asking for more Demarre Carrol though. He's a proven commodity and his absence is more perplexing than Lonnie's tbh

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    No he's not he's a better defender. Paul George ran from the ball and quit on his team in those 2017 playoffs vs the Cavs then came back and got embarrassed by Joe Ingles the next year.
    Now you are just being silly.

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    Who is saying Lonnie needs to be absolved? We are saying where is that same critique for the guys playing worse, paid more and that Pop is deciding to continually play without being yanked?
    to be fair... the guys you would rather him point the blame are vets and have fought battles in the league. They've earned some respect. Lonnie is a second year player that people are heralding like the second coming and was in the G League last year. Tbh he needs to earn his respect.

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    He's played a grand total of like 9 minutes all year.

    I don't get how some people can post that he hasn't shown much or that he's erratic when he hasn't even gotten a real chance yet.
    and he's played like and been a detriment... he's not ready..

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    The foul on Harrell was pretty stupid and resulted in and 1. They were a few possession where Lonnie failed to switch properly on the defensive end. He committed total of 2 fouls in 5 minutes which is pretty bad.
    Harrell got 5+ and1s today. Like I said it can happen to anyone. Should not warrant getting yanked.

    Can you be more specific about when he failed to "switch properly"? Like describe the sequence? 2 fouls in 5 minutes is not great, but it can happen when you're guarding someone as good as Nephew. He had one really good defensive possession on Neph where he forced him into a turnover. That one sequence was better than anything Belli has done all year, imo.

    To those complaining about Lonnie not getting enough minutes: tonight was NOT the game to have a young unproven player work through his mistakes. It was a game where he had to make the most of his limited minutes and prove to Pop and the team that he's ready to earn more time...and he was not ready and horrible in those 4 minutes. It was discouraging to see. He looked like a G-Leaguer on a 10 day contract. He has a ways to go, at least for a game like tonight. Against tomorrow's Warriors? Sure, let him show us what he can do. What upsets me more than anything is the possibility that Carroll was a complete waste of a signing.
    You are officially a bad poster, imo.

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    It depends on the young player tbh, he didn't do it with Kawhi or Murray, he pulled them aside and pointed out mistakes.

    For players like Green, he'd pull him out and yell at him and then send him back into the game. He did that one game against the Wolves where Green had already hit 4 threes but made like 5 mistakes. He pulled him, yelled at him, and sent him back in. Green responded by hitting 4 more 3s and much smarter.

    He wants them to see and learn from their mistakes, if that player doesn't then I think that;s where he loses patience.
    That seems to be the key. I remember he wasn't that hard on George Hill either but then again Hill probably learned from his mistakes quicker.

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    List of players that played horribly besides Lonnie and worse because of their importance to the team and their contracts:

    1. LMA
    2. Murray
    3. Mills
    4. Marco

    But that doesn't erase the fact that Lonnie failed to prove he deserves more minutes after his embarrassing showing in his 4 minutes tonight.

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    and he's played like and been a detriment... he's not ready..
    You're going on the bad poster list too if you keep it up, tbh.

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    Harrell got 5+ and1s today. Like I said it can happen to anyone. Should not warrant getting yanked.

    Can you be more specific about when he failed to "switch properly"? Like describe the sequence? 2 fouls in 5 minutes is not great, but it can happen when you're guarding someone as good as Nephew. He had one really good defensive possession on Neph where he forced him into a turnover. That one sequence was better than anything Belli has done all year, imo.



    You are officially a bad poster, imo.
    Coming from you, that doesn't mean to me.

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    To those complaining about Lonnie not getting enough minutes: tonight was NOT the game to have a young unproven player work through his mistakes. It was a game where he had to make the most of his limited minutes and prove to Pop and the team that he's ready to earn more time...and he was not ready and horrible in those 4 minutes. It was discouraging to see. He looked like a G-Leaguer on a 10 day contract. He has a ways to go, at least for a game like tonight. Against tomorrow's Warriors? Sure, let him show us what he can do. What upsets me more than anything is the possibility that Carroll was a complete waste of a signing.
    that's the way i see it.

    Quality post

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    You're going on the bad poster list too if you keep it up, tbh.
    just trying to keep it real bruh

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    Coming from you, that doesn't mean to me.
    You need to be better, tbh.

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    to be fair... the guys you would rather him point the blame are vets and have fought battles in the league. They've earned some respect. Lonnie is a second year player that people are heralding like the second coming and was in the G League last year. Tbh he needs to earn his respect.
    What? What does respect have to do with calling out poor performance. You can respect a guy all you want, but if they played bad, you should be honest and treat everyone the same. From top to bottom.

    Its not like Lonnie just walked around the court thinking he’s the man and needed to be checked.

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    So when Pop was assessing why this game was lost, he determined it was Lonnie’s 4minutes that was the culprit?

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    To be fair, Mills and Belli, although traffic cones, space the floor adequately, know the ins and outs of the offense, know how to play in a system, etc... those things Lonnie doesn't at the time. As much as people like to hate on Pop, he's great at developing players. He doesn't give them anything they don't deserve. There's no en lement. I hate that he plays his guys over the obvious lineups but I understand. He's an old school coach. All in all, I'd like to see better rotations as well like DJ and White and Carroll taking some of Beli's minutes but as far as the Lonnie cries, they are severely unwarranted. You want Pop to play gum shoe players and cost games that's you not me. Lonnie tonight had two sequences where he flunked. He gave an and 1 in the first half and an and 1 in the second. In the first half Pop did indeed give him some slack. He just didn't in the second. It's ashamed but it's the right call for how he coaches and develops. 4 minutes and -6. You could say it's who he played with but i'd assume the -6 was exactly to two and 1's he gave up for fouling. We should be asking for more Demarre Carrol though. He's a proven commodity and his absence is more perplexing than Lonnie's tbh
    Agreed that's what I saw tonight from him. Lonnie's basketball IQ isn't there yet. He's going to have to learn to be smarter out there. He has the super athletic abilities to be special but he's going to have to work harder to learn how to actually play the game and not rely on his athleticism to allow him to coast on both ends. He's not fundamentally sound yet on either end of the court.

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    What? What does respect have to do with calling out poor performance. You can respect a guy all you want, but if they played bad, you should be honest and treat everyone the same. From top to bottom.

    Its not like Lonnie just walked around the court thinking he’s the man and needed to be checked.
    Bro, and this is a serious question but what would Pop accomplish by calling out a vet who already are what they are. He called out a developing player who is probably gonna see a ton of minutes tomorrow. Sounds like sound strategy to me...

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    Agreed that's what I saw tonight from him. Lonnie's basketball IQ isn't there yet. He's going to have to learn to be smarter out there. He has the super athletic abilities to be special but he's going to have to work harder to learn how to actually play the game and not rely on his athleticism to allow him to coast on both ends. He's not fundamentally sound yet on either end of the court.
    i'm starting to think he may need another year in the G League that's how bad it's been... Hopefully he figures it out tomorrow when he should be getting a lot of burn

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    Bro, and this is a serious question but what would Pop accomplish by calling out a vet who already are what they are. He called out a developing player who is probably gonna see a ton of minutes tomorrow. Sounds like sound strategy to me...
    Umm, the “vets” aren’t stars and aren’t just deserving of minutes. Telling those vets that if they want to continue getting minutes vs turning into Carroll, they need to play significantly better is a great and powerful tool. I have no problem calling out Lonnie. At all. I have a problem with not ALSO calling out the others in the same vein when their performances were quite frankly unacceptable.

    You also gain the respect of the locker room by showing you are in touch with reality. Believe me, the guys know who deserves minutes and who is playing well/bad. If you as a coach are disingenuous about that? You run the risk of losing some players.

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    i'm starting to think he may need another year in the G League that's how bad it's been... Hopefully he figures it out tomorrow when he should be getting a lot of burn
    So honest question. If a vet like Beli is making the same or worse mistakes as Lonnie, isnt that MORE alarming that he has never figured it out? At least Lonnie can improve with time and confidence. Beli cannot.

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    Umm, the “vets” aren’t stars and aren’t just deserving of minutes. Telling those vets that if they want to continue getting minutes vs turning into Carroll, they need to play significantly better is a great and powerful tool. I have no problem calling out Lonnie. At all. I have a problem with not ALSO calling out the others in the same vein when their performances were quite frankly unacceptable.

    You also gain the respect of the locker room by showing you are in touch with reality. Believe me, the guys know who deserves minutes and who is playing well/bad. If you as a coach are disingenuous about that? You run the risk of losing some players.
    nope... in this system there's a pecking order. Everyone who comes here knows that. Guaranteed. Players talk. That's why the Lyles to the starting lineup should have been a huge deal. That is really unlike Pop. What love for one of these reporters to ask a question like, " what kind of things does Trey add to the starting lineup?"

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