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    Pop really has lost the plot. There was time when the game was tight pop would matchup defensively even just for 1 play. Now it's an unwavering faith for the all midget combo in Patty and Bryn.

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    Phil got swept off the floor during his last coaching stint, buddy. Get off his nuts.

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    Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pop

    Not now, always

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    Remember that time TD had a turnover at the end of the game and lost to Alba Berlin? Good times tbh. That I could really laugh about. This is something else.
    Or that game we gave McGrady the red carpet to score like a thousand points in the last minute of a game we should've won. Or Manu's foul. Or Danny Green's foul that caused TP to death stare his ass after Pop told him to STFU. Or Game 6 of course.We can go on really. But yes, this is worse because it is the worst team we've had since before TD came aboard.

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    Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pop

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    Pop prob still has nightmares coaching against him.

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    36 points on 20 shots is highly efficient, actually, but it doesn't help that all our good three-point shooters are terrible defenders. Plus, Murray and White have both not improved in that area of the floor enough.

    Maybe, hopefully, Carroll breaks through and sees time over Marco or Bryn. Obviously, that isn't likely and Pop will just bench Lyles instead (who has been okay).
    I'm not saying it isn't efficient. I'm saying it's not SUFFICIENT, chiefly because the way the game relies on the three ball and the other reasons you've specified. Truth is, you'll be extremely hard-pressed to find another game this year outside of DeMar where the player will score 30+ and not at least attempt a three.

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    Doncic might be an MVP in this league and top player at one point.
    Honestly though it ain't true gauge of how good Luka is when you got the likes of Patty and Bryn guarding you.

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    Or that game we gave McGrady the red carpet to score like a thousand points in the last minute of a game we should've won. Or Manu's foul. Or Danny Green's foul that caused TP to death stare his ass after Pop told him to STFU. Or Game 6 of course.We can go on really. But yes, this is worse because it is the worst team we've had since before TD came aboard.
    Lol some of those were very bitter. The alba Berlin was a joke.

    But when the team wins a lot, if they don’t win every opportunity they get, it’s still bitter and “it hurts” and “gutless worms” Etc. but this is something else. If their best players are Bryn and Mills team is heading to the lottery. We agree.

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    Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pop

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    No , 12 championships > 5 championships.

    Just saying, that without Jordan, Kobe or Shaq he could've looked just as "incompetent" as Pop. Great players do a lot to hide or mask the flaws of a coach.


    Unfortunately, many of Pop's flaws are (dramatized here on ST) easier to notice and hard to accept without the Big 3 covering his ass. Playing a trio of Forbes, Belinelli & Patty makes no rational sense without elite talent for them to play off of.

    Should be giving the young guard trio more time (or in Lonnie's case anytime), playing Carroll and trying Poeltl/Aldridge more against certain lineups. I like that he is going back to that pairing more the last two games.

    Either play to win by giving Carroll more minutes, benching Belinelli, Forbes and/or Mills or run with the young players and start building/developing them for the future. This in - between is frustrating, sad & disappointing to watch (which I won't stop cause I love my team).
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    Of course Doncic had his career high against us. We're the best team for everyone to get their career high against.

    This is one of the worst coached teams of all time. Generally I always put the blame on the players, but this team is always unprepared for the situation they're in, and they're always put in a position to maximize their chance of losing.

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    Seeing lots of Peanut Gallery takes from you guys, the team is fighting out there, if we continually lose changes will be made, and if we win y’all will still & moan lol

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    Honestly though it ain't true gauge of how good Luka is when you got the likes of Patty and Bryn guarding you.
    LD, 20 years old, is less than 1 AST/game short from AVERAGING a triple-double, has nothing to do with Spurs' defenseless midgets.

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    He likes chill fries...a lot.
    How many 40 point triple dubs does Tammy have tbh?

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    Of course Doncic had his career high against us. We're the best team for everyone to get their career high against.

    This is one of the worst coached teams of all time. Generally I always put the blame on the players, but this team is always unprepared for the situation they're in, and they're always put in a position to maximize their chance of losing.
    tbh, there's only so much you can do when you don't have the personnel. The problem isn't the coaching, it's the construction of the team...which IS Pop's fault even after Load Management set us back in the first place with his unethical bull .

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    I'm not saying it isn't efficient. I'm saying it's not SUFFICIENT, chiefly because the way the game relies on the three ball and the other reasons you've specified. Truth is, you'll be extremely hard-pressed to find another game this year outside of DeMar where the player will score 30+ and not at least attempt a three.
    Agreed, trading two points for three will always be a recipe for a loss.

    Unfortunately, it is a byproduct of who our two primary scorers are and how they get their points. Now, if we had better wing defenders (minus White/Murray who have both underwhelmed through 12 games) that could score off their penetration or team's sagging to stop both then we'd be in better shape. Right now, we lack enough volume three-point shooters (in the starting lineup) and our "wings" can't stop anyone.

    Pop had to resort to putting Mills on Doncic for Pete's sake.
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    Remember that time TD had a turnover at the end of the game and lost to Alba Berlin? Good times tbh. That I could really laugh about. This is something else.
    That happened at least 2 more times that year if my memory is correct, Duncan turnovers passing inbounds at the end of games. At least one of the games was against Memphis that I think went triple overtime.

    One of those things where I was left scratching my head over why Pop was continuing to go to it, didn't make sense.

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    Of course Doncic had his career high against us. We're the best team for everyone to get their career high against.

    This is one of the worst coached teams of all time. Generally I always put the blame on the players, but this team is always unprepared for the situation they're in, and they're always put in a position to maximize their chance of losing.
    Even though I understand your sentiment, and I actually agree with it in some ways, the hyperbole is strong with everything you said.

    This is definitely the worst coaching stint (so far) of Pop's career, but I completely disagree of all-time. I could see if we had a top 10 player (like Anthony Davis in New Orleans or LeBron last year) & managed to be a lottery team. That would be unacceptable, but this is something else.

    A coach that has an incredible track record that doesn't want to go out "rebuilding" or "tanking," but is making correctable errors that are losing his team games. Either make the corrections and (hopefully) have better outcomes or just be at peace with that fact that rebuild is needed (and here).....

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    The icing on the cake is just like the refs making some tough calls vs DeRozan, Finney hitting a fluky shot and the ball bouncing to Curry at the end is just enough for SA to focus on the “bad calls or bad luck” vs the real issues

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    Same starting 5, more Beli/Mills, less Carroll/Walker

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    LD, 20 years old, is less than 1 AST/game short from AVERAGING a triple-double, has nothing to do with Spurs' defenseless midgets.
    Passing yes but comon every shot Luca took when they were guarding is basically an open shot. That last three on Bryn. They didn't even bother running a play to open him up. He simply walked over to Bryn and shot it over. We all knew it was going in . Pop for whatever reason throught Bryn would finally deliver on a stop for first time this season.

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    Passing yes but comon every shot Luca took when they were guarding is basically an open shot. That last three on Bryn. They didn't even bother running a play to open him up. He simply walked over to Bryn and shot it over. We all knew it was going in . Pop for whatever reason throught Bryn would finally deliver on a stop for first time this season.
    Not defending the trio of defenseless guards, but White/Murray weren't doing themselves any favors tonight with their poor and uneven play. The team needs one or both to regain his confidence/swagger and stop with the piss-poor play.

    And if you read LJ's article or seen Bryn play, then you know he has officially reached "Matt Bonner" levels (to paraphrase Rasheed Wallace, "A go at him") and opposing guards know Bryn on them is an automatic two or three points. Just like Marco......

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    Agreed, trading two points for three will always be a recipe for a loss.

    Unfortunately, it is a byproduct of who our two primary scorers are and how they get their points. Now, if we had better wing defenders (minus White/Murray who have both overwhelmed through 12 games) that could score off their penetration or team's sagging to stop both then we'd be in better shape. Right now, we lack enough volume three-point shooters (in the starting lineup) and our "wings" can't stop anyone.

    Pop had to resort to putting Mills on Doncic for Pete's sake.
    Also agreed. Going back to DeRozan's lack of being a three point threat, it is exacerbated by games like tonight when you need a three but can't go to him when you need that 3 point bucket to at least take the game to OT. Never mind that he's dropped 36, you just can't go to him down 3-5 points because the three point shot terrifies him. Imagine that. The hottest guy on the floor but you can't rely on him. Instead, we have to rely on role players in Mills and Forbes to take those shots who aren't good enough to make big game shots like that. To make matters worse, they need to stay on the floor and "defend" on the other end. It's a domino effect of mediocrity that exposes a poorly constructed team. It's still mostly Leonard's fault but PATFO aren't doing themselves any favors right now.

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    White's swagger was jacked by Pop.

    Spurs don't make the playoffs without White stepping up. And it took him awhile to get going, something like 25 games or so of unremarkable decent play before the switch flipped.

    Has incredible playoff games before some struggles then gets benched for a horrible shooting Mills the last what, 18 minutes of a game 7?

    Comes into this season. Loses his starting job to Murray sight unseen. Not even given the chance to compete for the other starting backcourt spot. Has his minutes artificially limited to whatever minutes Murray's on the bench.

    If the goal was to ruin White, this was a good plan to do it.

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