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Are you saying it's all verifiable?
Again, we should have never attacked a nation with a high HDI over disagreements with how the leader dealt with acts of treason.
If he is such a cruel leader, why does he care about the people?
Great Manmade River (8th wonder)
Are you saying it's all verifiable?
Yes, your faith in Russian state media is verifiable.
thanks for the link, WC.
Bombing a pipeline factory is a bit different than bombing the water plant, but I see how it could have a similar practical effect for some.
The pipeline was probably bombed also. The Russian link says the pipeline factory was bombed the day after the pipeline. Just because we haven't found news of it elsewhere doesn't mean it didn't happen. I have noticed that news of this region is very limited. It's as if those who translate to English are ashamed of what's happening.
Deference to sovereignty is passe, humanitarian intervention is in.
Your song, not mine. Why does Qaddafi care about the people?
Considering I see no truth in the stated nature of attacking Libya, I tend to believe it is possible because of their desire to trade with gold, and this:
The SECRET MOTIVE: why the UN declared war on Libya. DESTABILIZATION. They did NOT attack Gaddafi, They attacked Africa’s Fresh Water Supply.
"The West refuses to recognize that a small country, with a population no more than six million, can construct anything so large without borrowing a single cent from the international banks."
"The goal of the Libyan Arab people, embodied in the Great Man-Made River project, is to make Libya a source of agricultural abundance, capable of producing adequate food and water to supply its own needs and to share with neighboring countries. In short, the River is literally Libya’s 'meal ticket’ to self-sufficiency."
"The river is a new lesson and an example in the struggle to achieve self-sufficiency, food security and true independence. No nation that depends on a foreign country to feed its people can be free. The Great River is a triumph against thirst and hunger. It is a defeat against ignorance and backwardness. It reflects the determination of Libyans to resist colonial pressure, to acquire technology, to develop, to improve their lives, and to control their own destiny in accordance with their own free will."
Since when is a water pipes factory in al-Brega a legitimate target to impose a no-fly zone to protect civilians? Sine when is the water supply pipeline itself a legitimate target?
NATO MAKES THIS IN LIBYA !!!
this maybe as close as we ever to get the real reasons why Libya gets a NFZ that i doubt any other countries will have to put up with..all constructed without borrowing a cent..thats must really piss off the usury loving roths..now..if you have time..go and look where the attacks are taking place..and remember they hit a "southern" compound of gaddafis..why would he have a south compound in the desert?..maybe they were instead hitting the GMR stations?..food for thought methinks..
How open minded. I bet you would be great on a jury.
I have been on a few juries over the years. That aside, why bomb the pipe factory unless you don't want the pipeline to be repaired?
War sorts ill with humanitarian scruples. At some point it may be expeditious to weaken Qaddafi's base of support by depriving it of necessities like electricity and fresh water, as we did in Iraq and before that in Yugoslavia (i think -- memory gets a little sketchy here)
Yep, we shut off the water to the cities, then wage a war of propaganda saying Gaddafi did it.
I understand.
That's not the way we did it in Iraq or Yugoslavia. The normal procedure is to bomb the out of them.Yep, we shut off the water to the cities, then wage a war of propaganda saying Gaddafi did it.
You did notice that the Gaddafi government has turned to directly appealing to the religious fundamentalists, yes?
They have essentially pledged to turn the country into a straight up islamic republic should they win.
No, I didn't see that.
Link please.
Update:
It seems the offer was rejected by the islamists.
http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/19242...the-rebels.htm
After months of blaming al-Qaeda style Islamists for the uprising that led to the implementation of a NATO-led operation in Libya, the Gadhafi regime it seems is ready for an image overhaul.
Sporting a new beard and fingering Islamic prayer beads while the timing of his interview with The New York Times coincided with the first few days after the start of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, Saif al-Islam Gadhafi, Moammar Gadhafi's son and close confident warned that the regime was ready to launch a crusade on its opponents.
''We will have peace during Ramadan,'' 'The liberals will escape or be killed,'' The New York Times reported Saif al-Islam Gaddafi as saying. ''We will do it together,'' ''Libya will look like Saudi Arabia, like Iran. So what?'' the newspaper also quoted him as saying.
Saif Gadhafi's latest move has left more than one observer perplexed as threatening to form an alliance with Islamist is unlikely to impress neither the Libyans nor the few countries that called for a ceased fire from both the Gadhafi and the rebels forces. Saif's father and Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has in the past called for mass attacks on the rebel forces, but very few of them have materialised.
Saif also repeated the government's contention that Islamists were behind last week's killing of General Abdel Fatah Yunis, who was Moamer Kadhafi's right-hand man for decades prior to his defection earlier this year.
"They decided to get rid of those people -- the ex-military people like Abdel Fatah and the liberals -- to take control of the whole operation," Seif told the Times. "In other words, to take off the mask."
Could the idea of an Islamist-style revolution in the middle of Ramadan just turn out to be a PR stunt from the Gadhafi clan?
Gadhafi said he had talked to prominent figures from the Islamist movement and while, Ali Sallabi, a lead[er in the] Islamist movement acknowledged he had spoken to Saif he formally dismissed any suggestion of an alliance, saying instead that the Libyan Islamists supported rebel leaders' calls for a pluralistic democracy without the Gadhafis.
Wild Cobra obvious take: The liberal rag NYT took his statements out of context, bla bla bla.
Obvious rejoinder: You should read the last paragraph of the quote, where some fact checking took place on the NYT article by the IBT.
Where's the video transcript?
You both are so foolish.
I never disagreed that such a thing was attempted. I simply said I didn't see it, and asked for a link.
I think you both suffer from foot-in-mouth disease.
Where's the video transcript?
I just wanted to make sure you read the whole thing, where they did some fact checking, before going off and attempting to continue defending the Ghadaffy regime as being "not that bad".(edit) and doing that ad hominem bull that you are prone to, when you hear something you don't like.
Believe as you wish.
Don't forget your appointment tomorrow. I'll go ahead and pre-order extra Xanax.
You are a real psycho case yourself. If you think you are treating me, you aren't. Maybe I should check to see if I'm a victim of ID theft.
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