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I'll bite, which ones?
It actually dates back way farther than that and at the time, it wasn't exactly a perversion. It was what insurance was supposed to be....a tool to leverage risk across time.
http://www.nber.org/aginghealth/2009no2/w14839.html
I'll bite, which ones?
Korrect. I confused ESI in general with the birth of Kaiser Shipyards' ESI in WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Shipyards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente
The perversion is employers being involved in health insurance.
I think the employers involvement is not necessarily the problem. Employers did/do, however, contribute by providing the incentive for morphing health insurance into HMO's and then offering that as insurance.
House G.O.P. Leaders List Conditions for Raising Debt Ceiling
Also behind closed doors in the Capitol, House Republican leaders laid out their demands for a debt-ceiling increase to the Republican rank and file.
They include a one-year delay of the president’s health care law,
fast-track authority to overhaul the tax code,
construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline,
offshore oil and gas production,
more permitting of energy exploration on federal lands,
a rollback of regulations on coal ash,
blocking new Environmental Protection Agency regulations on greenhouse gas production,
eliminating a $23 billion fund to ensure the orderly dissolution of failed major banks,
eliminating mandatory contributions to the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau,
limits on medical malpractice lawsuits and
an increase in means testing for Medicare, among other provisions.
Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the House majority whip, said all of those measures have passed the House since Republicans took over in 2011, but they have gone nowhere in the Democratic Senate.
Now, Republicans say, they will use the threat of a potentially devastating default on United States government debt to force consideration. The laundry list of Republican priorities is also needed to build support for any debt-limit increase, which many Republicans say they cannot vote for under any cir stances.
“The president says ‘I’m not going to negotiate,' ” Mr. Boehner said. “Well, I’m sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.”
Given the president’s stance and resistance by Senate Democrats to any threat to postpone the health measure, the House proposal would seem to have no chance of success in the Senate.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/27...?from=homepage
Notice how not a single one of the Repug demands is FOR the 99% nor FOR the environment. ALL are FOR the 1%/VRWC/corporate protection and enrichment. Absolute CLASS WARFARE.
House GOP’s Ransom Note Predictably Not Extreme Enough For House GOP
t’s becoming clear that House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) does not have enough votes to pass the extreme proposal — because the right wing of his caucus does not think that it’s extreme enough.
“We still have some challenges,” Deputy Majority Whip Tom Cole (R-OK) told The Hill on Thursday night. “We’ve got an awful lot of support, but clearly at this point we don’t have a final product that’s attracting the number that we need. Hopefully that’ll change, and I think it could.”
Congressman Tom Rooney (R-FL) laid out the right’s complaint with the proposal: “The problem for me is it doesn’t address the debt,” Rooney told The Hill.
Ironically, Rooney is right; the GOP proposal would actually do very little to bring down the national debt. Where Rooney is wrong, of course, is his assumption that forcing America to default on its debt would accomplish anything positive for the economy.
If The Hill’s report is accurate, and Speaker Boehner does not have the 217 Republican votes he needs to pass his ransom note, then the proposal is dead in the water (as no Democrat will vote for making the passage of the Romney/Ryan plan a precondition for America paying its bills). That would make the debt ceiling debate a magnified version of Boehner’s humiliating farm bill defeat, and leave the Speaker with two options. Either he could partner with House Democrats to raise the debt ceiling without preconditions — a political defeat that would almost certainly cost him the Speaker’s gavel — or he could give in to the right wing of his caucus once again, crafting a proposal that would be completely unacceptable to Democrats, sparking a fiscal disaster and quite possibly costing him his job and Republicans their House majority. In other words, there are no good options for the top-ranking Republican.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/house-go...for-house-gop/
If Obama won't fold on the debt ceiling, the Repugs' corporate/financial paymasters will force the Repugs' to fold, since they won't allow a default.
CNBC poll: Conservatives oppose ‘Obamacare’ far more vehemently than the Affordable Care Act
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/2...able-care-act/
BREAKING NEWS: Senate passes bill to keep government open -- INCLUDES Obamacare funding
Despite Ted Cruz's stalling tactics, moments ago Senate Democrats voted 54-44 to keep the government funded, including Obamacare.
Now it's all on Boehner.
Republicans are expected to vote as soon as TOMORROW on whether they'll actually shut down the government just to defund Obamacare.
FOX NEWS: OBAMA IN PLOT TO FORCE AMERICANS TO LIVE LONGER
—In a blockbuster do entary to be broadcast tonight, the Fox News Channel alleges that Obamacare is “little more than a thinly veiled scheme to force Americans to live longer.”
The do entary, called “The Ugly Truth About Obamacare,” claims that President Obama “is cynically using the health-care law to achieve his true objective: raising the life expectancy of Americans without their consent.”
“In America, how long you live has always been your own business,” says the do entary’s narrator, Sean Hannity. “Under Obamacare, though, it’s the government’s business—a government that wants you to live as long as humanly possible.”
The do entary lays out a nightmare scenario of Americans being saddled with sky-high life expectancies for years to come.
In perhaps the most chilling prediction of the do entary, Mr. Hannity warns, “If Obamacare goes into effect, Americans will be forced to live as long as people in Finland, Denmark, and other socialist countries.”
Speaking with reporters today, Mr. Hannity said he hoped that the do entary would be a “wake-up call about the secret agenda behind Obamacare.”
“President Obama is playing God with American lives,” Mr. Hannity said. “And if he stubbornly insists on making those lives longer, that could be grounds for impeachment.”
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...rowitz%20(174)
Fox Complains Unopened Obamacare Exchanges Haven't Insured Enough Americans Yet
Fox News host Steve Doocy jumped the gun to call the Affordable Care Act (ACA) a failure before its full implementation.
DOOCY: Remember during the original argument about whether or not we should go ahead and pass the Affordable Care Act, also now known as Obamacare, very famously Karl Rove said on this program, he said, you know, 85 percent of the country has health care and likes it. So why blow up the entire system for 15 percent? There is a new poll out this morning that says that, take a guess, how many people in this country, what percentage have insurance now for the very first time because of the Affordable Care Act? How many? What percent?http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09...es-have/196121
CO-HOST ELISABETH HASSELBECK: I mean, I'd go 20. Let's go 20 percent.
DOOCY: One percent.
HASSELBECK: Oh, great.
DOOCY: One percent of the country now has insurance because of the Affordable Care Act.
HASSELBECK: That's it?
DOOCY: Yeah, we were told we're helping out 15 percent. But so far, just one.
But Doocy's critique completely misrepresented the timeline of the health care law's implementation.
The public exchanges, which will offer new insurance coverage options to Americans who currently do not receive employer-sponsored health insurance, will not open for enrollment until October 1, and the new coverage won't begin to take effect until January 1, 2014.
Expanded Medicaid access also doesn't take effect until January 1.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated in May that, once it is fully in effect, the ACA's exchanges will help provide coverage to 24 million currently uninsured Americans by 2023, and the Medicaid expansion will cover an additional 13 million.
Doocy also ignored the many benefits that the law has already put into effect for individuals that currently have insurance.
Nearly three years after the law's enactment, 6.1 million Americans with Medicare who reached the Part D coverage gap ("donut hole") saved more than $5.7 billion on prescription drugs.
Additionally, 71 million Americans received coverage for preventive care in 2011 and 2012, and 78 million Americans saved a total of $3.4 billion on their health insurance premiums in 2012.
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Fox Complains Unopened Obamacare Exchanges Haven't Insured Enough Americans Yet
Fox News host Steve Doocy jumped the gun to call the Affordable Care Act (ACA) a failure before its full implementation.
DOOCY: Remember during the original argument about whether or not we should go ahead and pass the Affordable Care Act, also now known as Obamacare, very famously Karl Rove said on this program, he said, you know, 85 percent of the country has health care and likes it. So why blow up the entire system for 15 percent? There is a new poll out this morning that says that, take a guess, how many people in this country, what percentage have insurance now for the very first time because of the Affordable Care Act? How many? What percent?http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09...es-have/196121
CO-HOST ELISABETH HASSELBECK: I mean, I'd go 20. Let's go 20 percent.
DOOCY: One percent.
HASSELBECK: Oh, great.
DOOCY: One percent of the country now has insurance because of the Affordable Care Act.
HASSELBECK: That's it?
DOOCY: Yeah, we were told we're helping out 15 percent. But so far, just one.
But Doocy's critique completely misrepresented the timeline of the health care law's implementation.
The public exchanges, which will offer new insurance coverage options to Americans who currently do not receive employer-sponsored health insurance, will not open for enrollment until October 1, and the new coverage won't begin to take effect until January 1, 2014.
Expanded Medicaid access also doesn't take effect until January 1.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated in May that, once it is fully in effect, the ACA's exchanges will help provide coverage to 24 million currently uninsured Americans by 2023, and the Medicaid expansion will cover an additional 13 million.
Doocy also ignored the many benefits that the law has already put into effect for individuals that currently have insurance.
Nearly three years after the law's enactment, 6.1 million Americans with Medicare who reached the Part D coverage gap ("donut hole") saved more than $5.7 billion on prescription drugs.
Additionally, 71 million Americans received coverage for preventive care in 2011 and 2012, and 78 million Americans saved a total of $3.4 billion on their health insurance premiums in 2012.
"A middle-aged man in a red golf shirt shuffles up to a small folding table with gold trim, in a booth adorned with a flotilla of helium balloons, where government workers at the Kentucky State Fair are hawking the virtues of Kynect, the state’s health benefit exchange established by Obamacare.The man is impressed. "This beats Obamacare I hope," he mutters to one of the workers.
“Do I burst his bubble?” wonders Reina Diaz-Dempsey, overseeing the operation. She doesn't. If he signs up, it's a win-win, whether he knows he's been ensnared by Obamacare or not."
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09...es-have/196121
Tea party: Obamacare is now ‘BoehnerCare’
Tea party activists are planning to rally outside of House Speaker John A. Boehner’s Ohio office on Tuesday, telling the Republican speaker that if he doesn’t use this year’s spending fight to defund the health care law, it will hence be known to them as “BoehnerCare.”
“If he funds it, he will own it,” said Janet Porter, president of Faith2Action, one of the groups participating in the rally.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2g83l4MJh
Probably a bunch more poor, white bubbas, rednecks, tea baggers will RUSH to sign up for BoehnerCare, just to stick it to that n!gg@ in the WH.
the real concern of most conservatives is that Obamacare will work, proving popular over the long run. Think about it: If they are so certain that the law will collapse under its own weight, why not step aside and allow it to do so? Why do they need to try to defund it and create creepy ads trying to persuade young people not to buy in? Why did they warn the National Football League not to promote the new health care exchanges?
If Obamacare succeeds, the generations-long conservative war against activist government would have lost another major battle, and more voters would be persuaded to vote for progressives. That’s the reason conservatives went all-out to defeat President Clinton’s similar health care proposal during his first term.
As Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, then fresh off his stint as Vice President Dan Quayle’s chief of staff, wrote in 1993: “… the long-term political effects of a successful Clinton health care bill will … relegitimize middle-class dependence for ‘security’ on government spending and regulation. It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests.”
There you have it. They don’t dare allow Obamacare to proceed unimpeded because Americans might come to like it and depend on it, as the elderly like and depend on Medicare. Indeed, conservatives, including Ronald Reagan, fought the creation of Medicare, claiming it was pure socialism.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/republic...ill-succeed/2/
"and now for something completely different ..."
Cruz... repeatedly told a Texas audience Friday that he wants to avoid that prospect without backing off his hard line against funding Obamacare.
Instead, the Texas Republican tried to shift the blame for any impending shutdown to Democratic leaders.
“There is plenty of time to avert a shutdown. I don't want a shutdown; I don't think we should have a shutdown,” Cruz said in a videoconference appearance from Washington at the Texas Tribune Festival.
“The only reason we might have a government shutdown is if (Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid and President Obama insist upon a government shutdown,” Cruz said in the long-distance interview with the Tribune's co-founder and editor-in-chief, Evan Smith.
The remark drew loud dissent from the audience at the University of Texas,
http://mobile.mysa.com/mysa/db_28310...l=true#display
holee sheet, you scrotum sucking TX tea baggers really, really, really know how to choose your Senators.
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House GOP to attach Obamacare delay to CR
House Republicans will vote to pass a one-year delay of Obamacare in exchange for funding the government, a plan that drastically increases the chances of a government shutdown this Tuesday.
The decision was announced by the GOP leadership in a closed meeting Saturday afternoon, according to sources present. Republicans will also pass a bill to fund U.S. troops if the government shuts down, according to GOP lawmakers. The House’s funding measure will keep the government open until mid December.
This puts Senate Democrats and the White House at loggerheads with House Republicans, a standoff that could lead to the first government shutdown since 1995.
Senate Democrats passed a bill to fund the government until Nov. 15, but kept intact Obamacare.
“We’ve had enough of the disunity in our party,” Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told the meeting of House Republicans Saturday afternoon. “The headlines are Republicans fighting Republicans. This will unite us. This protects the people who sent us here from Obamacare.”
House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said it would be the “fastest whip check in history,” as every member raised their hand, saying they would support the bill.
The House is expected to vote Saturday, sources say.
This is just the first round of an entire fall filled with fiscal fights. The debt ceiling must be raised Oct. 17, and Washington will have to tackle government funding again before the new year.
Defunding, delaying and otherwise chipping away at Obamacare has been the centerpiece of the House Republican majority since they took control of the chamber in 2011. Obama has changed some portions of his signature legislative achievement. He has taken unilateral action to delay the mandate that employers provide health insurance to their workers.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has said he would not accept any attempts to delay or defund the law as part of a government-funding bill.
Boehner tried to avoid this fight, and direct angst over Obamacare to the debt ceiling battle, where he thought Obama would want to cut a deal that would include replacing the sequester. He first proposed using the debt ceiling vote as a backstop — something Republicans could look forward to if they didn’t get their way in the CR fight. But the rank-and-file rejected that strategy. Then, leadership sought to have a debt ceiling vote before the one on government funding. Rank-and-file Republicans rejected that as well, saying they wanted to see what the ultimate resolution in the CR battle before committing to raising the debt ceiling.
It’s a small group of conservatives that have tied the hands of Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) — just enough Republicans to prevent the leadership from being able to exert its will.
That explains the fits and starts of the past few weeks. Republicans have cycled through several fiscal strategies, all of them proving flawed in the eyes of the conservative base.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...496.html?hp=t1
The 1-year ACA delay will be clearly voted down in the Senate.
The House tea baggers have chosen to shut down the govt.
This is standard Repug strategy: up the govt with misgovernment, with non-government, then claim, to the acclaim of their ignorant choir of bubbas, kickers, redstaters, racists, Fox watchers and VRWC hate media, etc, that they have demonstrated, proved that govt is fundamentally not trustable and 100% evil and unAmerican.
Obamacare forces citizens to be captured by the market. It is not a incremental step towards single payer, it is a move in the opposite direction, a policy written by and for the insurance industry. A boondoggle for the rentiers, as well as a precedent for eliminating what remains of the New Deal.
A safe bet that Social Security will be given the Obama treatment (privatize everything) by those who follow, either D or R.
"Obamacare forces citizens to be captured by the market."
from whom else other than for-profit insurers could they buy insurance from? The overriding objective was to get them insured, out of the ER and into earlier, or any, medical treatment.
SS, along with public pensions, remains a target for Wall St, but Wall St targets EVERYTHING they can extract wealth from.
And of course TX political leaders are always cutting edge (with hunting knives, even military tactical knives, no doubt) :
Rick Perry Flip-Flops On Obamacare: ‘Defund It’
ST. CHARLES, Missouri — Last week, Texas Governor Rick Perry took an uncharacteristically independent stance, bashing Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)’s plan to force a government shut down over Obamacare funding as “nonsensical.”
But this Saturday, Perry was singing a different tune: “Defund it,” the Governor told ThinkProgress.
When asked by ABC News earlier this week whether the shutdown showdown was a smart move, Perry had said “I don’t think it’s a good option.” Rather, the Governor argued, “there’s still time to sit down and try to fix Obamacare.” Amend, not defund.
On Saturday, Perry told ThinkProgress that “you in the media” were taking him out of context. He claimed his comments to ABC merely amounted to opposition to a shutdown.
“I don’t think anyone thinks the shutting down of the government was a good option,” he explained, a paraphrase inconsistent with the transcript of his ABC comments.
Perry went on to express support for fully defunding Obamacare, arguing that Obama and Reid have taken repairing Obamacare off the table by refusing to negotiate with Republicans over the shutdown crisis:
I thought there was an opportunity ten days ago to maybe come together and ‘fix,’ I think was the word I used…the President and Harry Reid clearly took that off the table this last week when they said ‘we’re not going to talk about it. It’s our way or the highway.’ Well, I’m like a lot of other people who, ‘you’ll negotiate with the leader of Iran, but you won’t even sit down with Republicans in the House and the Senate to try to find a reasonable middle ground on this? So yeah, I think we ought to defund Obamacare.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...-perry-defund/
You TX bubbas really know how to elect the "best and brightest" politicians!
I hear the Repgus LYING like they always do that it's not their fault the govt will shutdown. ing anarchist asssholes, every one of them.
And we get to do it all again for the debt ceiling, which was raised 19 times under dubya, with nary a whimper from the Repugs. ing anarchist asssholes, every one of them.
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