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    John Boehner Pits Obamacare Against Shutdown

    WASHINGTON -- House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) vowed Wednesday to push ahead with a bill to defund Obamacare or shut down the government

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    The Money Behind the Shutdown Crisis

    Representative Aaron Schock is a conservative Republican from Illinois, but not conservative enough for the hard-right activist group Club for Growth, which is seeking someone to run against him in next year’s primary.

    His crime? In 2011, he voted to increase the debt ceiling, and, in 2012, he voted for a stopgap spending bill that prevented a government shutdown. In neither case did he demand the defunding of health care reform.

    Club for Growth and other extremist groups consider a record like his an unforgivable failure, and they are raising and spending millions to make sure that no Republicans will take similar positions in the next few weeks when the fiscal year ends and the debt limit expires.


    If you’re wondering why so many House Republicans seem to believe they can force President Obama to accept a “defunding” of the health care reform law by threatening a government shutdown or a default, it’s because these groups have promised to inflict political pain on any Republican official who doesn’t go along.


    Heritage Action and the Senate Conservatives Fund have each released scorecards showing which lawmakers have pledged to “defund Obamacare.” When a senator like Tom Coburn of Oklahoma refuses to pledge, right-wing activists are told: “Please contact Senator Coburn and tell him it’s dishonest to say you oppose Obamacare, but then vote to fund it. Tell him he swore an oath to support and defend the Cons ution.”


    Mr. Schock and 10 other lawmakers considered su iously squishy by the Club for Growth were designated as RINO’s (Republicans in name only), and the club has vowed to find primary opponents and support them with cash — a formidable threat considering that it spent $18 million backing conservative candidates in the 2012 cycle. Americans for Prosperity, a Koch brothers group that has already spent millions on ads fighting health reform, is beginning a new campaign to delay the law’s effects.


    These groups, all financed with secret and unlimited money, feed on chaos and would like nothing better than to claim credit for pushing Washington into another crisis. Winning an ideological victory is far more important to them than the severe economic effects of a shutdown or, worse, a default, which could shatter the credit markets.


    They also have another reason for their attacks: fund-raising. All their Web sites pushing the defunding scheme include a big “donate” button for the faithful to push. “With your donation, you will be sending a strong message: Obamacare must be defunded now,” says the Web site of the National Liberty Federation, another “social welfare” group that sees dollar signs in shutting down the government.


    Brian Walsh, a longtime Republican operative, recently noted in U.S. News and World Report that the right is now spending more money attacking Republicans than the Democrats are. “Money begets TV ads, which begets even more money for these groups’ personal coffers,” he wrote. “Pointing fingers and attacking Republicans is apparently a very profitable fund-raising business.”


    It may be good for their bank accounts, but the combination of unlimited money and rigid ideology is proving toxic for the most basic functioning of government.


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    As ‘Defund Obamacare’ Strategy Unravels, Civil War Among Congressional GOP Breaks Out On Twitter

    Today, House Republican announced their intention to link the funding necessary to keep the government open with legislation to defund Obamacare. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) suggested that, with Democrats in control, the move didn’t have much of a chance in the Senate:


    “Harry Reid will no doubt try to strip the defund language from the continuing resolution, and right now he likely has the votes to do so,” Cruz said. “At that point, House Republicans must stand firm, hold their ground, and continue to listen to the American people…”


    Republican House members responded on Twitter, and they were not happy:

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...reaks-twitter/



    Any any Repug who votes against defunding ACA will get primaried by Kock Bros/fruitairian libertarian/tea bagging extremists and VRWC $Ms.


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    Karl Rove: The GOP's Self-Defeating 'Defunding' Strategy

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    Senate will take that bill up, strip that out and send it right back to the house. Then what?

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    Where people stand on the Affordable Care Act is pretty much predetermined by who they voted for in the presidential election. I am now seeing the first hints of its implementation from the insurance carriers for 1/1 renewals.

    Three obvious takeaways:

    1. The ACA has mandated a massive change in the way carriers price, market and administer their products. Businesses (50 employees and under this year, all companies in '17) don't realize it yet, but their own administrative procedures are going to have to change significantly regarding their group health plans is just a few months.

    2. Older workers, and workers with larger families are going to get screwed. The ACA dictates the manner in which premiums are charged - and mandates NO UNDERWRITING factors EXCEPT age, tobacco use and geography. HHS then published a model rate factor table. In that a 64 year old pays exactly 3 times what a 25 year old pays - with the rate climbing every year between those two points. Until now, enrollment choices for employees were as follows: Employee Only, Employee & Spouse, Employee & Children or Employee and Entire Family. That was four premium choices for an employer to keep up with - the employer would decide how much of each tier he/she would contribute, and the employee would be left to pay the difference....NOW to calculate coverage, the employer or employee must go to the base rate (the rate for a 25 year old), multiply it by the factor for THEIR age, do the same for their spouse, then the same for their adult (over 20) aged children, then the same for up to three children under 20 (rate is capped at three children under 21). Considering there are now 40 different employee rates, and employees will all have different aged children and spouses.....this is going to make bill auditing and reconciliation very bersome. (of course we have developed a system to automate all this - PM me for details) From the employer's point of view, they always knew, in theory, that older employees cost more to insure; now it is going to be reinforced in color every single month. Composite rating protected the aging - the ACA exposes them - choosing between two employees, one 32 and one 54? Just got that much easier.....

    3. Despite its name, the ACA is not getting a handle on cost. All of the renewals we have seen thus far include net premium increases along with some (subtle and not so subtle) benefit decreases. Where the tire meets the road, the ACA, ultimately is an exercise is doing SOMETHING, but not doing anything productive.

    I said it at the time, and I now know it to be true, a opportunity to actually do something to get our runaway healthcare costs under control was wasted. If anything, the ACA probably exacerbates many of the existing issues, without addressing the elephant in the living room: ACTUAL COSTS FROM DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS!!! The politicians focused all of their attention on who was paying the bills. I guess it never occurred to them to look at the people printing them...

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    For the reasons I listed above, I remain fully opposed to the Affordable Care Act. However, an the owner of a company that administers, brokers and manages healthcare plans, I am taking full advantage of the disaster that it is.

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    The primary objective of ACA was to insure 30M+ people who weren't insured, get them out of the ER and into preventative care.

    A program like ACA with a target of 300M people, and 1000s of scammers, will requires 100s of modifications

    The ed up, ripoff US health care racket needed a shakeup, and ACA, polluted, tainted, gutted by the health care industry (eg, no public option) and sabotaged by the Repugs at federal and state level, is the best shakeup possible.

    "ACTUAL COSTS FROM DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS" and health insurers, ALL greedy, predatory for-profit BUSINESSES: tiest possible product for the highest possible product, ARE the fundamental problem. But they are so powerful, they are, like the financial industry, an essentially untouchable wealth-extraction racket.

    The only solution to costs is no-profit govt health insurance and no-profit govt health care by govt employees.



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    The primary objective of ACA was to insure 30M+ people who weren't insured, get them out of the ER and into preventative care.

    A program like ACA with a target of 300M people, and 1000s of scammers, will requires 100s of modifications

    The ed up, ripoff US health care racket needed a shakeup, and ACA, polluted, tainted, gutted by the health care industry (eg, no public option) and sabotaged by the Repugs at federal and state level, is the best shakeup possible.

    "ACTUAL COSTS FROM DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS" and health insurers, ALL greedy, predatory for-profit BUSINESSES: tiest possible product for the highest possible product, ARE the fundamental problem. But they are so powerful, they are, like the financial industry, an essentially untouchable wealth-extraction racket.

    The only solution to costs is no-profit govt health insurance and no-profit govt health care by govt employees.


    Then why didn't they simply make Pre-X illegal? Would have been a whole lot less complicated than what they did....

    MANY countries control healthcare costs without socializing the entire system. You lack imagination.

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    From a conservative republican: This is an opinion.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e-gop/?hpid=z2

    One House aide dismayed at the intra-party fights told me, “I just think our political energy and attention should be focused on weakening the Left.”

    This is what the conservatives have been reduced to while Obama runs a shaky course. The Republicans have some really profound ideas on how to run a country, destroy the opposition within your own party. And then attack Obama, and then when it is time for solutions, uhhhhhhhhh. Good God what a mess...

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    Then why didn't they simply make Pre-X illegal? Would have been a whole lot less complicated than what they did....

    MANY countries control healthcare costs without socializing the entire system. You lack imagination.
    ALL industrial countries have some form of national/governmental health insurance and health care, get better outcomes FOR EVERYBODY with $Ts less. America's for-profit health care is a ing disaster for patients.

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    Excellent quote:

    Said Ornstein: “The bizarreness of this monomaniacal focus on Obamacare, given that it is fundamentally a Republican program from the 1990s mixed in with Romneycare,” says it all. “Obamacare relies on the private sector; there is no public option. That you are willing to bring the country to its knees to sabotage it … just shows this is a party that has gone off the rails.”

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    Excellent Quote:

    The legitimate complaint about the new Republican Party, one you will hear frequently even from Republicans speaking privately, is that it is intransigent and beholden to its most radical elements. Having principles is fine. Imposing them on everyone else through destructive maneuvering that keeps the country constantly on edge is not.

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    Excellent Quote:

    ‘There is one party that has lost its way and is being dominated by people who by historical standards are on the fringe.’ “You have to accept the legitimacy of the other side,” Today’s GOP, which exists to oppose all things Obama, does not.

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    Excellent Quote:

    It’s a bit of a murder-suicide. House Republicans’ willingness to lay waste to the country to satisfy their fringiest faction will ultimately guarantee the GOP irrelevancy as a national party, unless they change their ways. In the meantime, they seem determined to take us all down with them.

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    Excellent Quote:

    There isn’t even a feint toward decency. In what has become a recurring nightmare, House Republicans are using budget negotiations to play chicken with the stability of the American economy. This time, they want President Obama to agree to defund his signature achievement, the Affordable Care Act. If he refuses to strangle his own baby in the crib, Republicans are happy to retaliate. They’ll shut down the government. These are not people with whom one can work.

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    lol @ kool.

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    Excellent Obama Quote:
    “You have never seen in the history of the United States the debt ceiling, or the threat of not raising the debt ceiling, being used to extort a president or a governing party and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and have nothing to do with the debt,” Obama complained to members of the business group.



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    Excellent Obama Quote:

    “We have not seen this in the past,” he continued, “that a budget is contingent on us eliminating a program that was voted on, passed by both chambers of Congress, ruled cons utional by the Supreme Court, is two weeks from being fully implemented and that helps 30 million people finally get health care coverage -- we've never seen that become the issue around a budget battle.”


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    Excellent Quote:
    The latest CBO projections, released Tuesday, “show that the federal budget is a very important problem, but not necessarily an urgent one in the sense that interest rates the government is currently paying are quite low and the deficit is falling now,” he said.


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    Excellent Nancy Pelosi Quote :

    "Many of these Republicans are repealing this bill, and in repealing it, they keep their federal health insurance benefits," she said. "The contradiction is more than just their children being on their policy. It's themselves having that policy that their children can be on, even though they are repealing all of these benefits for everybody else.

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    Excellent quote:

    "Essentially what they're saying is that these protections are good for members of Congress, but we're not going to provide the same protections to millions of Americans,"

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    Excellent Quote:

    Many of the special benefits afforded in Congress' federally-administered plans are actually included in the Obamacare legislation. But while Republicans are ready to repeal those benefits for rank-and-file voters, they aren't quite willing to give them up for themselves.



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    During a House vote to repeal Obamacare, Republicans voted against a measure that would have forced members of Congress to give up their FEHBP plans.


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    Excellent Pelosi quote:

    "They twisted themselves into pretzels trying to explain it, but you can't really explain that to your cons uents — it's hard to tell the mother of a child with diabetes that you are going to take away healthcare for her kid, and at the same time vote to protect your own healthcare."



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