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they are prescribed off label
As far as I know, you can't prescribe them unless they have FDA approval, which involve such trials, etc, so I have to assume such studies/trials do exist.
they are prescribed off label
The idea of only binary is not buttressed by science if you are referring to sex chromosomes and development.
If non binary, is meant to counter only binary, its fine.
two possibilities:
xx chromosomes
xy chromosomes
seems pretty binary to me
yeah but we dont have 20 year long longitudinal studies to determine every super long term potential effect meanwhile we should just let these kids suffer severe psychological distress until such time because trans people are weird and icky tbh
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aside from the fact that there are people with X, XXY, there are people with XY who nevertheless have female genitalia, or people with XX and grow male genitalia. so sex is not binary, but rather, bimodal
and thats sex, not gender. somebody who is a trans woman doesnt literally believe that they have xx chromosomes, ovaries, etc. vast vast majority of our interactions where we look at a man or woman comes from social cues, not from conducting a genetic test or genital pat down
Yes it does but its not.
XXY
XXX
X
XYY
And its even more confusing than this if you really want to get into it.
graphic from scientific american
Who's trying to "cancel" anybody? We're having a discussion like adults normally have. Sometimes we'll agree on some things and sometimes we don't.This thread is amazing. Liberals trying to cancel a reasonable liberal ( Will Hunting ) for being reasonable.
It goes over about as well as me telling my conservative friends that Trump did a sh1t job handling COVID - or that I hope DeSantis ousts him in the primary
you don't need to pull the victim card for Will, tbh
Off-label prescribing is when a physician gives you a drug that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved to treat a condition different than your condition. This practice is legal and common. In fact, one in five prescriptions written today are for off-label use.
https://www.ahrq.gov/patients-consum...rug-usage.html
Welp
good lord...graphic from scientific american
And there can be all sorts of translocations between the sex chromosomes. Pieces changing places. This is where you get sex genes getting turned off or getting regulated very differently. Some of these that happen more regularly are in the diagram above.
But I am also sure there are kids who are clearly XX, XY have no real urge for changing sex and dangle it in front of people because kids do that just to be noticed or difficult. I am also sure there are purely XX, XY kids that have no discernable sex chromosome abnormalities and really do feel like they are the wrong sex.
Not to mention that the male parts and female parts are very much derived from the same basic developmental parts. its just when they are fully developed they look so different you would never know it.
SJ Gould put this in a series that used to be in Natural history. He has books full of biological and evolutionary confusion and tries to explain these through Natural History. I got the whole set from my father.
The one I was looking for was about sex organs in hyenas as a model for the confusion of just using actual parts.
Now that Gould is long gone and we have gene sequencing and location this is outdated but it served its purpose at the time.
https://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~bio336/B...dHyena1981.pdf I have this in article form in one of his many collections from Natural History.
You're flailing now
First you cherry pick from your own article that says there is no good science on the effectiveness of tranny treatments (ignored that part of course), then you moved to we don't have time to study cuz lives (ignoring there is already proven psychiatric treatments available), and now it's whatabout smallpox or polio.
so when i said earlier about "valium for headaches, a cast for some other thing etc..."
you said "I'd find another doctor"
But why would you do that if you are fine with off label prescription? I only ask because that's where that comment came from.
study showed efficacy for sure. Reduced severe psychological distress, suicide ideation, etc. post hoc data showed it significantly reduces suicide attempts.
and yeah i will just about always say it’s really dumb to withhold the use of treatments that work because we don’t have 20-30 year long longitudinal studies first. Terrible practice and it’s not a standard we would use for literally any other medical treatment
post hoc data doesn't apply to children only someone who has completed all their surgeries. So Reduced severe psychological distress, suicide ideation, doesn't mean it saved their lives.
Because the expectation is that doctors are educated to know which drugs work for given diagnosis.
As such, a doctor that's prescribing a cast to treat asthma clearly doesn't know what he's doing, if he/she has a doctoral degree at all. It also expose them to malpractice, which can be the end of their medical license and career.
I should also add that even for off-label use, you still would need to prescribe a drug that has been explicitly approved by the FDA to use in children of certain age, you can't escape that.
It's probably the main reason some of these drugs cannot be administered until the children are 16+ years old.
You're flailing now.
Old Joe broke you.
No . Children aren’t the one getting bottom surgery. Will’s claim was that bottom surgery not only didn’t help suicide but made it worse.
Is this the sending of said tranny to a religious school to be turned in the right direction treatment, just talk them out of it?
I am sure there are some kids and young adults who want to play games and be different just to worry their parents.
But when a kid commits suicide... it was all just a big joke I guess? Like commits suicide because they really dont feel what they are told to be so they find a way out of being a worthless oddity.
Still cherry picking the one study in your own article while ignoring the mention of the other studies that did not show efficacy of these treatments.
Still ignoring that psychiatric treatment is a proven option. Why is that? I asked you earlier if any physical changes were needed and you made the case that gender dysphoria is a purely psychiatric disorder. Why now act like psychiatric treatment doesn't exist and they'll die without the unproven physical treatments at $70k a pop? Doesn't make sense.
lol you're so angry at me
Lol. You’re not to be taken seriously. You’re just here for the lulz.
And you let dr boss peg you.
Nobody had presented any study to the contrary
lol you're so angry at Old Joe
Just thought I'd share. I'll believe this article before I believe some cheesy movie and a few posters questioning the long term effects.
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