No no no the definiton of parker hate is :
not acknowledging that he is flawless or having the audacity to point out his shortcomings..
"Parker hate will never stop, no matter what the guy does " exactly pppp .. nothing more to say ... It's king of a religious thing ... they have faith, and that's sot illogical that you can't argue with them ... Not interesting and very exhausting ...
Tp won 2 championships with spurs, TP progress mentally (and statisticly) every year, TP is very coachable, TP is a good ambassador for San Antonio, Tp wants to win.
Drclic.
....And show off....
The guy can't pass.
You must not know basketball because point guards don't need to be good passers...oh wait..they do.. What are you so hateful??
say I great point guard that couldnīt pass .And donīt bring mediocres.You must not know basketball because point guards don't need to be good passers...oh wait..
and talking about good ones...
Magic??
Stockton??
Nash??
West??
Isiah??
Couldnīt they pass??
they could pass but the other player had to maek the basket to get assist
In defense of Parker it's not fair to compare him to those guys.
But,if you love Parker and the Spurs so much,donīt you want Tony to become one more like them???
Heīve got what it takes,but he needs to realize that his game will be more powerfull and agressive if he can focus more on asisting tham scoring man.
Since it seems that Pop wants him to do the things he does it's hard to blame him. What I do blame him for his poor decision making down the stretch and his stubborness in trying to be the 'man'.. I too would like to see him be more of a distributor because in the long run I feel it would benefit the team but I guess I'm just blinded by hatred for feeling that way..
In my opinion is cause Pop spoiled him too much,Heīs been coaching him since Tony was a kid,and Sometimes donīt scream at him like he does with manu and even timmy.
I don't think dumping into Tim in the post is exactly an "asssist". Anyone can dump it into Tim when he is in the post. If Tony passes to Tim or other Spurs when they are cutting to the basket and gets easy layup, that is a true assist. In the Philly game, I saw Brent cut really hard (tony had the ball in his hand, just dribbling at the time looking for some opening) to the basket and was wide open, had his hands out looking for entry pass from Tony for easy layup....Tony either never saw him or didn't have the confidence to pass it to Brent. Nash would have laid that ball right into Brent for easy layup....herein lies the difference. Good PG gives the other players all kinds of easy layups and wide-open jumpers....those are assists, not dumping it into Tim who is being double teamed and forcing Tim to do something with the ball with 7 seconds left on the clock.
Also watching Tony shoot jumpers yesterday (all from mid-range) was painful. Guys like Nash, or even Cassell would simply not miss an uncontested 18 footers as often as Parker does...and lot of his shots don't even come close. I don't know why he has such a hard time developing a reliable jump shot. Without it, he will always be one-dimensional player who can be stopped easily once the defence decides to stop the dribble penetration in the 4th quarter when everything gets more intense and tighter.
WRONG. Stats often lie...and this is one of them. The fact is that parker may have high % but he rarely is the guy who is making the plays or attempting the shots in clutch time. If you have watched Parker play in the playoffs, more often than not, he is more or less, a non-factor in the 4th quarter way too often than not. Considering he is supposedly one of the top PG, this is simply unacceptable.
Just look at his 3 point shooting % this year...I belive it is very high....over 45%? Would you therfore say he is one of the best 3 pt. shooters in the league? Too funny.
Umm... dumping it into Tim and and then Tim posting up or working for a shot doesn't count as an assist in the stats. I think that was the point the poster was trying to make.I don't think dumping into Tim in the post is exactly an "asssist". Anyone can dump it into Tim when he is in the post. If Tony passes to Tim or other Spurs when they are cutting to the basket and gets easy layup, that is a true assist. In the Philly game, I saw Brent cut really hard (tony had the ball in his hand, just dribbling at the time looking for some opening) to the basket and was wide open, had his hands out looking for entry pass from Tony for easy layup....Tony either never saw him or didn't have the confidence to pass it to Brent. Nash would have laid that ball right into Brent for easy layup....herein lies the difference. Good PG gives the other players all kinds of easy layups and wide-open jumpers....those are assists, not dumping it into Tim who is being double teamed and forcing Tim to do something with the ball with 7 seconds left on the clock.
He actually has a pretty reliable jumpshot and has since about midway through last season.Also watching Tony shoot jumpers yesterday (all from mid-range) was painful. Guys like Nash, or even Cassell would simply not miss an uncontested 18 footers as often as Parker does...and lot of his shots don't even come close. I don't know why he has such a hard time developing a reliable jump shot. Without it, he will always be one-dimensional player who can be stopped easily once the defence decides to stop the dribble penetration in the 4th quarter when everything gets more intense and tighter.
Yesterday, he didn't do well from outside (1-for-4 outside the lane), however Manu was 1-for-6 outside the lane - it doesn't mean either of them can't shoot.
I'd much rather have Tony shooting than any other guard on this team. Outside or inside.
He yells at Tony far above more than anyone on the entire team and always has.
This post of yours right here proves how ridiculous you are being about this subject.
Well,I guess Iīm the only one who thinks Tonyīs game has changed from ok, to not that good ,since heīs became the teamīs 1st. scoring option.
He yells at Tony far above more than anyone on the entire team and always has.
This post of yours right here proves how ridiculous you are being about this subject.
Tony's game has gone from good to very good over the last 2 years. No one is saying he's perfect. However, the majority of the time, he's doing exactly what the Spurs want him to do.
You can sit all day and rag on Tony, but the bottom line is that the Spurs want him to score. He's not going to be a 10+ apg point guard and the Spurs don't want him to be.
He and Tim both shoot 14 times a game. Manu shoots 13 times a game (in less minutes). They are all options and neither one is clearly the first option. It's a team offense between the big 3.
We have talked about this before Kori,the fact that his numbers have improved donīt mean that his game and the overall teamīs game have improved.
Allen Iversonīs type of game may be fun to watch but donīt win no championships.
I'm not talking just about numbers.
I'm talking about his ability to penetrate. His vision. His focus. His leadership. His form on his jumpshot. His concentration on his free throw shooting.
He's not flawless, but everyone in and around the Spurs organization and every GM in the league will tell you how drastically he has improved over the last few years.
I know you don't like his game, but he's extremely valuable to the Spurs winning. And whether you believe it or not, his focus is on winning, not on showing off and being a celebrity.
I like parker,but I loved the 2005 or the 2003 less flahie Parker tham the 2005 version.eventhough heīs numbers were poorest tham right now,the team was moving the ball better tham right now.
yeah kori!! watch the game yesterday he was sober for the team 8pt 8pd good def on andre miller. and i think he's cool on his relationship wiith eva longoria. that could be worst he's dating a celebrity!
Well since Carlos Boozer's stats are better than Tim's then those stats tell you that he is a better player.
Those stats don't lie
what kind of logic is that ??
Try to think about it this way : Boozer having better stats doesn't mean that he is a better player than Tim, but that maybe he played better so far this season ....(that is very debatable and, for the record, I don't think Boozer is a better player than Tim Duncan for many reasons).
Stats won't tell you how good (or not) a player is , but can be an indicator of how a player has been playing...do you see the difference?
But stats won't tell you everything...I even think that too much emphasis is put on stats in the NBA.
Basketball just can't be translated in numbers, you can't judge how people play based solely on stats. Plus it depends on the team you play in,
the system, the context, etc....
But stats can also be an indicator, you can't just dismiss them when they don't suit "your" reality.....
FYI
Boozer
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
06-07 UTA 41 41 37.0 .560 .000 .699 3.3 8.7 12.0 3.2 1.0 0.3 2.80 3.10 22.2
Duncan
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
06-07 SAS 42 42 34.4 .541 .000 .622 2.9 7.6 10.5 3.3 0.7 2.1 2.90 2.50 19.8
Last edited by pppp; 01-22-2007 at 12:24 PM.
You're right !! Actual facts and stats don't matter !! What's important is what you want to be true, no matter what reality is....
Try to think about it this way : Boozer having better stats doesn't mean that he is a better player than Tim, but that maybe he played better so far this season ....(that is very debatable and, for the record, I don't think Boozer is a better player than Tim Duncan for many reasons).
Stats won't tell you how good (or not) a player is , but can be an indicator of how a player has been playing...do you see the difference?
But stats won't tell you everything...I even think that too much emphasis is put on stats in the NBA.
Basketball just can't be translated in numbers, you can't judge how people play based solely on stats. Plus it depends on the team you play in,
the system, the context, etc....
But stats can also be an indicator, you can't just dismiss them when they don't suit "your" reality.....
FYI
Boozer
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
06-07 UTA 41 41 37.0 .560 .000 .699 3.3 8.7 12.0 3.2 1.0 0.3 2.80 3.10 22.2
Duncan
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
06-07 SAS 42 42 34.4 .541 .000 .622 2.9 7.6 10.5 3.3 0.7 2.1 2.90 2.50 19.8
when people can't face reality, or don't wanna see it, notice how they always try to dismiss it first ("stats can be manipulated, etc.")...
And that's exactly why the Parker hate will never stop, no matter what the guy does : because the reality of his play and performances just doesn't really matter anymore...
My point was that stats don't tell the story. Your response , bolded above, seems liike you want it both ways. On one hand you justify your opinion using parker's stats and mocking those who claim "stats don't tell the whole stry". Yet you responded to my stats as stating :
Stats won't tell you how good (or not) a player is , but can be an indicator of how a player has been playing...do you see the difference?
I certainly don't think Boozer is better than TD but those stats (PArker's) could be misleading
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