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I think Nocioni would be deadly in the Spurs' rotation.
actually he would be perfect, but he's not coming anyway
so why sweat it?
I think Nocioni would be deadly in the Spurs' rotation.
is he an unrestricted free agent? or would there have to be a sign-in-trade?
He's restricted...We could offer him the MLE at max years and even if he signed the offer sheet the Bulls would most likely match. Or, we could offer a combination of players and picks in a sign and trade which would cost more money but would be more likely to pry him away.
Noc could also accept their one year tender and become unrestricted next offseason.
yeah, Noc aint coming
Agree and disagree.
Nocioni isn't a good fit at SF for Spurs :
- He isn't a strong man to man defensive player and is quite slow. Spurs' SF must defend the best opposite SG/SF. Nocioni is more an help defender and is not well suited to defend swingmen like Bryant who are quicker than him.
- Nocioni good offensive numbers with Bulls are mainly because he is defended by slower PFs. In 06-07, Nocioni scored 22.5 pts/40min when he played with Deng and 18.4 pts/40min without him. In 05-06, 20.4pts/40min with Deng and 17.7pts/40min without him. Nocioni at SF will mainly be a spot up jump shooter.
- Nocioni at SF, even over a poor rebounder like Bruce won't improve spurs rebounding by a significant margin. When they stay big, Spurs are a top 2 defensive rebounding team in the league : Nocioni defensive rebounding ability will be quite useless. Nocioni isn't a good offensive rebounder.
I'm not at all a Pietrus fan but I think too that he can be better than Nocioni as Spurs' SF. Nocioni is a better shooter but Pietrus is a better defender.
However, Nocioni is a great fit as small ball PF. Against Spurs biggest rivals (Mavs and Suns), he will be really usefull in small ball lineups. Nocioni is strong enough to defend PFs like Dirk, spread the floor, can use mismatch on the offensive end and is a good rebounder.
Nocioni will be way better at PF than SF in Spurs system. If Spurs get him, I hope it won't be to use him mainly at SF.
Pop started Danny Ferry at the SF position during the 2001 season...the Spurs had the best record in the NBA.
If Ferry can do it...Nocioni can do it. He's got more physical tools than Ferry and he's a better offensive player as well. And Ferry was like 35 when Pop did that.
I am not convinced Nocioni can't fit in on the Spurs...I think he'd fit in quite well.
The Bulls have been an elite defensive team since he has been on that team...even Pop has said they play just about the best D in the NBA, for a while now.
I'd love to have Nocioni in a Spurs uni.
Chapu could keep away of the zone to many b...s we got in the western ... period.
San Antonio as a team teach GREAT TEAM DEFENSE! Pavlovic would be no worse than anybody we have on this team except for bruce,tim and maybe manu. Team defense is what we stress here. Don't kid yourself this kid Pavlovic might flourish in a system that would provide him options to drive or shoot; he can do both you know! Tim Duncan would make him a younger,bigger manu.(he doe's seem to be really compe ive!)
I heard nocioni on an intervew for an Arg.sport channel,and He was saying that He thinks that the spurs play the best ball in the NBA,and He also said that He would love to play with Tim Duncan,the best big man of all times as he said.(wow)
That sounds like a resounding endorsement. Frankly, I think Nocioni can push to be sent to San Antonio and force Chicago's hand. It's obvious he is open to coming here, but it just depends on how bad he wants that.
Nocioni knows how Pop likes Argies players,+He knows that the starting SF in the team will problably play for another 2 years and them retire.I think If He leaves Chicago,San Antonio will be the one and only team he would play for.
Last edited by ArgSpursFan; 06-12-2007 at 10:46 AM.
Nocioni is a smart man. He wants an NBA ring to go with his gold medal. its a nobrainer. It will be all up to Bulls management. They appreicate him, so if they decide to let him go, they should let him go to the Spurs
Question is, what's the right package for Nocioni?
Other than filler, Scola + 2008 1st?
No matter what, it feels the Spurs are getting the good end of the deal. Chicago could use Butler, but Barry doesn't do a whole lot for them, although he has to be there for salary purposes. I wonder if another team could get involved.
Very, very smart man. I like much Nocioni. He's more better player than Scola.
Nocioni in the Spurs!!! NOW!
Menphis.Chicago wants Gasol,and The grizzlies may like some Bulls players
If Chicago wants and can get Gasol, they won't need Scola. But Gasol is too expensive - they're asking for Deng + the moon, and Luol plays an important part in the Bulls' future.
What I meant was whether another team might want Brent Barry and get involved to move another player to Chicago in exchange.
Well, any team thats looking for 3 point shooting, veteran help, or expiring contracts would possibly want Barry. If Udrih is tossed in the mix then we can include a team desiring a young PG. I think two teams that might have some interest are the Clippers and Bobcats. The Clippers would love to have Barry and Beno with their PG issues looming. Plus, Barry's 3 point shooting is a much needed asset for them. The Bobcats are usually in need of salary to fill out their roster and wouldn't mind a young player to replace Brevin Knight and a veteran to help level them out. But what do these two teams have that the Bulls would want? I have no idea. Primoz Brezec?
JUST FOUND THIS FORUM BUT I HAVE BEEN TELLING EVERYONE I KNOW FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS THAT WE NEEEEEEEED NOCIONI. He'd be the perfect fit. I'll be crossing my fingers the entire offseason.
I think I found a third team for this trade to happen..
SA gets nocioni and 2nd round pick from clev.
Chi gets scola
Clev gets barry and beno or duhon
Possible draft picks could be thrown in somewhere, but I think this would help all three teams..
how much does he cost?
That's what I was hoping someone would address - the comparisons between Nocioni and Pietrus. I thought Pietrus had an edge on him defensively. No question that Andres is the better shooter.
It will be interesting to see what the Spurs will do at that spot.
The Thing with Nocioni is that,He aint real real fast,I donīt agree on that He aint a good Defender,Heīs probably as good as Manu,as a perimetral Defender,but just a litle slower tham manu.But the guy is real good Offensively and Defensively on the post,He jumps real high and knows how to use his body.
To guard a guy like Dirk,I think Nocioni has a edge over Pietrus,+he can Be more productive on the offensive end with his outside shot and posting on smaller or lighters SFs.
neither have a chance in of being a Spurs
especially with this Lakers/Bulls trade supposedly involving Noc
Chicago would have to get more salary back. As you have it, they give up Nocioni & Duhon & get only Scola in return, besides having to make the salaries match up, I'm sure Chicago would want other players & picks for Nocioni. Nocioni signed at $6 mil a year & Duhon is making $3.5 for next year, & Scolas rights dont have any monetary value, so about $9 mil in salaries would need to get to Chicago somehow.
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