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don't we need a center more than a backup to duncan? unless he primarily plays SF (i know little about East teams), in which his offense would be useful when bowen gets a rest.
Andres Nocioni | F
Born: Nov 30, 1979
Height: 6-7 / 2,01
Weight: 225 lbs. / 102,1 kg.
From : Argentina
Years Pro: 2
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The obvious target in free agency for the Spurs this offseason. His price should be in the MLE range. Fits the perfect Spur proflie and the Spurs have a couple of guys to recruit him on the team. The catch is he's a restricted free agent. Perhaps the Bulls are going to add up the cost of retaining all of their young talent and decide that they can afford to let him go. If not, maybe the Spurs could work out a trade for him. Sign him and the offseason's almost complete, save for making Jacque Vaughn disappear and Beno's testosterone injections.
don't we need a center more than a backup to duncan? unless he primarily plays SF (i know little about East teams), in which his offense would be useful when bowen gets a rest.
Nocioni would be a great, balanced young guy to in. He rebounds, he scores, and he can defend.
and our greatest need is a long sf, and he is def. a sf.
I'm feeling ok with Oberto as our center. We have the Butler project, we have Elson as a backup if needed. We have 2 or 3 foreign guys as front court possibilities (scola, jak, Mimi in the future). Anyway, we don't need scoring out of our center much honestly.
And no doubt he would start. Bowen is a great, great defender, but he is too "one way" for us any longer I fear. He is just getting too old to keep it up reliably. 36? Come on!
I've said elsewhere that if Nocioni is available to the Spurs, he strikes me as a no-brainer for a lot of different reasons. I suspect it might take a trade to pry him away from Chicago, though, and I doubt that the Spurs have the chips right now to make that deal.
Andres is the ideal piece.
He can score from the perimeter, play hard nose D, pass the ball well, rebound, and do the little things.
The one thing any team chasing him has working on their side is that Chicago has a lot of pieces at the SF. Yet, if they pull the trigger on a big trade, they might end up keeping him. Paxson has stated he wants to keep Andres, but who knows.
im not sold on elson yet, he makes too many mental mistakes
but yes, we need some consistent more than wide open shots offense from the SF position
-Mars
Noccioni would be great as a 3/4. He moves (and shoots) well enough to play the 3 in a big line-up, and can play the 4 against small ball teams.
With all these contracts coming up within the next couple of years and the bulls not having the foresight to move a couple of these young guys for post players, I don't see how they are going to keep everybody. And you'd have to think the Andres might be one of the pieces they are less likely to keep.
If Andres were to land in SA next season, I would like to see him come off the bench.
I feel he brings good energy and hustle, which is a much needed spark off any bench.
Plus, he does have some firepower, so he could score off the bench too.
However, if you're going to use the MLE on Andres, which he will probably ask for, you can pretty much say goodbye to Scola for next season.
He'd be great to have, but IMO, we have a surplus at the 2 and 3 positions. Maybe a replacement if Fin decides to leave the Spurs.
Backup 1, 4, and 5 would be higher priority me thinks.
I looked at their salary numbers and it's not as bad as I thought.
They've already re-signed Hinrich for the long-term and got favorable rates on him in the late years of his deal. They have to extend Deng, who'll probably command something close to the max, and Gordon, who will cost something approximating Hinrich's money. I guess they'll also have to figure out whether they want to keep Duhon around and how much he'll cost them. They have the albatross of Ben Wallace's deal around their necks for a few more years as well.
But with all of that said, they've basically got the bulk of their rotation set (Wallace, Gordon, Thomas, Hinrich, Duhon, Deng, Sefolosha) for next year and they're still under the cap. Of their main guys, they would need to re-sign Nocioni and P.J. Brown to keep their roster together. For a year, at least, that seems feasible.
Personally, I would think that Paxson will take a longer view of things and that he'll realize the need to be wise with his money. That might be enough to make Nocioni available.
Well, we've got a couple of draft picks to work with that could be enticing to the Bulls, along with an expiring contract after next season of 5.6 million for Barry, and we could even throw in the rights to Scola. It would take a lot to get him.
It's tough to see Chicago's finding it necessary to deal Nocioni this summer. They have no cap troubles at all and can fill their major need -- post scoring -- with Isiah's first round draft pick.
We might be able to pick up a disgruntled Khryapa, but Andres is a reach.
why would bulls help the champs out?
The thing that gives me hope is that Nocioni didn't play much in the playoffs. And when he did play, he wasn't playing that well. That should lower his value.
With Deng becoming a star, Thabo and Tyrus looking better and better and a bigman coming in the draft, they probably have enough depth.
If I had to guess, I'd say they sign and trade Nocioni, not because they have to financially, but because it'll open up more playing time for players who can potentially be even better.
But unless they are in love with Scola, I don't think it'll end up being the Spurs they sign and trade him to.
Nocioni can help himself by saying he wants to play with his fellow countrymen manu and oberto and if not he will demand out
then bulls would have to work with the spurs
Unless Thabo becomes an NBA scoring threat, I don't see Nocioni's being dealt. There's just no reason to let him go if the money is right.
I say lets go for broke and sign the entire Argentina national team.
If he wants to come to SA, absent a deal, the best he can get is the MLE, which Chicago can match without breaking a sweat, I'd think.
Nocioni can say whatever he wishes about where he wants to play, but unless the Bulls either decide to let him go without matching or get what they want from the Spurs, Nocioni's fate in the NBA is pretty much left to the whim of the Bulls.
1. In order for us to get him he would have to S&T for him, Chicago will match a MLE offer.
2. One thing going for us is that Chicago is in desperate need of a low post scorer. They dont need him to be a superstar, just a solid big man. We have Scola who fits that description perfectly. Chicago could bring him over on a cheapish contract 3 or 4 years $10-12 mil( by cheap I mean cheaper than most other big men).
3 There is talk that Chicago is looking at Nick Collison from Seattle, so there is some options for them out there.
4. The S&T would have to start with Scola(centerpiece of the deal) then Barry(salary purposes) & someone else like Beno or Butler(Bulls choice) along with a draft pick. Is this too high of a price to pay is the real question.
5. Chicagos salary cap is in good shape right now. They will be able to sign Deng & Gordon to extensions. Wallace's & Hinrichs contracts are frontloaded, so they will be making less each year forward. They will need to sign Thomas & Sefolosha to extensions in a couple of years & possibly signing Nocioni to a long term deal could affect those plans, but that is a couple of years away & if they wanted to sign Noc now, they could always trade him in a year or two.
6. Bottom line is, alot of things will have to go in our favor to make this deal a reality. Chicago is going to have to be convinced that Scola will be able to play in the NBA next year & the Spurs have to decide if this is the deal that will convince them to get rid of Scola.
I have always wanted Noc to be a Spur & he definitly fills a major need, but Scola is also a very nice player who could help us alot, unfortunately its probably going to be either Nocioni OR Scola, not both.
spurs = argentenian mafia
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I'll take him. I'll take Scola too.
But we need a backup PG more.
No way we need a backup PG more than a SF to take us into the future. We can find a backup PG anywhere, resign Vaughn or sign Chcuky Atkins to a vet minimum deal & call it a day.
where?
Wait untli the summer comes around, there will be plenty of vet PG's looking for a job & we wont need to give up any assets to get them, just like how we signed Vaughn.
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