Kidd, Armstrong, Malik Allen, for Devin Harris, Stackhouse,Diop, Ager and George

[vander]

That's not a move. That's a mercy killing.


P.S.

Do you guys know who Jason Kidd is?

He's the guy that we sacrificed a couple years of Twin Towers potential to try to woo in the summer of 2003.

He gets triple-doubles like Devin Harris gets injuries.

and the correlation between triple doubles and championships is well do ented

the Kidd Stat that blows my mind is 36% FG shooting, that is obscene!

[Holt's Cat]

Looking at NJ's roster, the answer is indeed picks. They move Diop because he's a UFA this season, and I think this trade says that they are playing for ping-pong balls. That means make Diop an asset for their future either as Cap-space, but the rules state he can only be traded as an individual player for 1 week, or not until after the trade deadline (ie after he becomes an FA). Therefore, with his ~ 2,000,000 salary, he ain't making a lot of capspace... Your are left with either picks and cash (which the CBA limits to a maximum of 3,000,000 in any given trade). From SA's end, I would consider either the raptors 2008 2nd, or a Spurs 2009 1st for a NJ 08 2nd swap, or something along those lines...Remember, dealing for Diop is only for a rent a player until this summer.

Right, which should keep down what the Nets demand in return for him. Spurs stalker/hater Rod Thorn is still at the helm though.

PS all this stuff about Crackhouse being bought out. I think it's so much wishful thinking by Mavs fans. Crackhouse is under contract until 09/10 for a value of $21,000,000 including this year. Either Crackhouse takes a HUGE discount or NJ doesn't have that kind of cash lying around. Partcularly when crackhouse is still serviceable as a player...

Exactly. The idea of him being bought out is just a rationalization for a bad move.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Donnie Nelson's job search to commence in T minus 10...........9..................8................. ........

[Holt's Cat]

He is still good.

I felt it was smarter to get a big man in 2003.

I had no idea it would be Rasho.

Anyway, I can't believe people here hold Harris in such high regard.

Kidd kills him.

And Parker kills Kidd. Figure it out.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Fvck you.

We've seen Shaq, Gasol and now possibly Kidd traded to our biggest rivals, while our team continues to tread water.

And you're fine with that.

Guess you've missed Team USA latest attempts in the summers, or the 04 Lakers, or the Suns for the last 4 years...being overloaded with talent doesn't equal success.

[Ghost Writer]

and the correlation between triple doubles and championships is well do ented

the Kidd Stat that blows my mind is 36% FG shooting, that is obscene!

You are right, dude.

Who could use a PG that routinely gets double digits in PTS, ASS and REB?

Keep Harris and the scrubs.

Kidd sucks.










Dolts.

[spursfan09]

I don't understand. Do they just feel pressure to make a trade after the Lakers or Suns?

[T Park]

Moving, say, Elson + a pick + cash for Diop would be a shrewd move

If they did that trade i'd be ready to go to war.

Diop can guard Bynum and Shaq.

Bring that trade on.

Doubtfull though that New Jersey would want to do it. I think they like Diop. If they don't they could get something better than Elson for him.

[Spurs Brazil]

Mavs best in West with Kidd?posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 | Feedback | Print Entry


All hail the Western Conference, which continues to grow stronger and stronger -- literally by the week.



First, the surprisingly mighty Lakers nabbed Pau Gasol. Then, the Suns brought in Shaq, and now the Mavericks are on the verge of putting together a big three of Jason Kidd, Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard.



All I can say is thank goodness Boston got Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen during the offseason. Otherwise, with all due respect to Detroit and Cleveland, the West-East divide would be intolerable.



With the Western powers gearing up for the most compe ive postseason one conference has ever seen -- with potential first-, second- and third-round thrillers -- it shouldn't be long before Denver pulls the trigger on a trade for Ron Artest. (Go ahead Nuggets, part with Linas Kleiza.) The fact is, the Nuggets have to make the deal to even have a prayer of competing in May. That's what owner Mark Cuban understands about his Mavericks.



Dallas is not going to reach the Finals as currently constructed. Now, if the Kidd trade goes through, the Mavs will be as formidable as anyone. One of the greatest benefits of getting Kidd would be the mental toughness he'd bring to the Mavs. Let's just be honest here: The Mavs have not won a le the past two seasons because they have been mentally soft.



The collapse against Miami. The shocker at the hands of the Warriors.



Those were heart issues, not basketball issues.



Now, all that could change. Kidd is as tough as they come on the hoop court, prevailing as much because of his mental toughness as his physical gifts. If Dallas gets beat with Kidd on its roster, it would happen because the other team is better. Not because the Mavs got punked.



Would this trade make the Mavs the leading contender in the West? No. But it would put them on equal footing with the other Western powers, which couldn't be said yesterday.



As for the Nets, they would be doing the best they could. Devin Harris is a good point guard of the future, Richard Jefferson's still young, and I like their young bigs -- Nenad Krstic, Josh Boone and Sean Williams.



I also like Vince Carter, but with J-Kidd gone, his days with the Nets are probably numbered, too. The Nets are willing to send Carter to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal. If O'Neal receives a clean bill of health within the next week, I've been told by league sources that there's a 70 percent chance of this trade going down.



It wouldn't make the Nets contenders, but it would keep them in the playoffs.



Man, for NBA teams, it's good to be in the East. But for NBA fans, it's good to watch the West -- which is better than ever.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...roussard_chris

[T Park]

I also like Vince Carter, but with J-Kidd gone, his days with the Nets are probably numbered, too. The Nets are willing to send Carter to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal. If O'Neal receives a clean bill of health within the next week, I've been told by league sources that there's a 70 percent chance of this trade going down.

Indiana.


Why?

[vander]

You are right, dude.

Who could use a PG that routinely gets double digits in PTS, ASS and REB?

Keep Harris and the scrubs.

Kidd sucks.

but the mavs are giving up 31 pts, 12 reb, and 9 asists per game to get him

[T Park]

vand its pointless, he doesn't accept reality.

[VaSpursFan]

So who on the spurs will guard Dirk when he and Kidd run the pick and pop ?

dood....any team in there right mind would instruct their players to go under the screen and give Kidd all the jumpers he wants. dood shoots 40% on a good day. i like JKidd for the intangibles he brings but he can't shoot worth .

[SenorSpur]

That is not a bad idea. It's not like the Spurs' 5 spot is set in stone. Oberto probably could continue to start but I wouldn't say he has that locked up. Presumably Splitter will be coming over but it seems a bit much to expect him to step into the starting role right away. Elson is gone. Diop does make a lot of sense.

The question is can Diop be had?

[fyatuk]

pffft. Weak.

11/03 Jason Kidd New Jersey Philadelphia 16 Pts, 14 Reb, 10 Ast 88
11/07 LeBron James Cleveland Utah 32 Pts, 15 Reb, 13 Ast 12
11/14 LeBron James (2) Cleveland Orlando 39 Pts, 13 Reb, 14 Ast 13
11/16 Jason Kidd (2) New Jersey Orlando 11 Pts, 19 Reb, 10 Ast 89
11/21 Jason Kidd (3) New Jersey Portland 12 Pts, 11 Reb, 13 Ast 90
11/23 Caron Butler Washington Golden State 26 Pts, 11 Reb, 10 Ast 1
11/23 Baron Davis Golden State Washington 33 Pts, 11 Reb, 15 Ast 7
11/24 LeBron James (3) Cleveland Toronto 37 Pts, 12 Reb, 12 Ast 14
11/25 LeBron James (4) Cleveland Indiana 30 Pts, 11 Reb, 10 Ast 15
11/27 Jason Kidd (4) New Jersey Memphis 12 Pts, 15 Reb, 12 Ast 91
11/30 Andrei Kirilenko Utah LA Lakers 20 Pts, 11 Reb, 11 Ast 3
12/05 Tracy McGrady Houston Memphis 17 Pts, 10 Reb, 12 Ast 3
12/09 Jason Kidd (5) New Jersey Washington 13 Pts, 10 Reb, 13 Ast 92
12/11 Jason Kidd (6) New Jersey LA Clippers 11 Pts, 10 Reb, 11 Ast 93
12/14 Kirk Hinrich Chicago New York 15 Pts, 12 Reb, 14 Ast 2
12/19 Caron Butler (2) Washington Chicago 29 Pts, 11 Reb, 10 Ast 2
12/22 Jason Kidd (7) New Jersey Golden State 15 Pts, 11 Reb, 12 Ast 94
12/26 Marcus Camby Denver Milwaukee 10 Pts, 11 Reb, 10 Blk 3
01/04 Jason Kidd (8) New Jersey Charlotte 11 Pts, 10 Reb, 12 Ast 95
01/05 Jason Kidd (9) New Jersey Atlanta 10 Pts, 13 Reb, 14 Ast 96
01/08 Jason Kidd (10) New Jersey Charlotte 13 Pts, 11 Reb, 12 Ast 97
01/23 Josh Smith Atlanta Denver 22 Pts, 12 Reb, 10 Ast 1
01/24 Baron Davis (2) Golden State New Jersey 25 Pts, 12 Reb, 10 Ast 8
01/25 Jason Kidd (11) New Jersey Denver 13 Pts, 11 Reb, 10 Ast 98
02/01 Brandon Roy Portland New York 20 Pts, 10 Reb, 11 Ast 1
02/04 Hedo Turkoglu Orlando Dallas 13 Pts, 12 Reb, 13 Ast 1
02/06 Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Milwaukee 29 Pts, 10 Reb, 12 Ast 1
02/06 Earl Watson Seattle Sacramento 23 Pts, 10 Reb, 10 Ast 1
02/08 Jason Kidd (12) New Jersey Charlotte 19 Pts, 11 Reb, 13 Ast 99

Notice how only 2 of those are against top level WC teams... (and one being a fluke with Hedo against Dallas).

I think you just supported the claim the West's superior teams will negate his triple double opportunities

[T Park]

The quetion is can Diop be had?

If he could be had, I could totally go for him.

[Holt's Cat]

If they did that trade i'd be ready to go to war.

Diop can guard Bynum and Shaq.

Bring that trade on.

Doubtfull though that New Jersey would want to do it. I think they like Diop. If they don't they could get something better than Elson for him.

It would be ballsy..somewhat, but Mahinmi? Sure he's athletic, but it doesn't seem like he's progressing that much.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think the Spurs will make a move, if for any other reason because they don't project the free agent market in their price range to be that attractive this summer plus they feel that they can get a good deal with some combination of their various players with expiring contracts. Moving, say, Elson + a pick + cash for Diop would be a shrewd move.

My hunch is that a moving is coming, too. And I think it's most likely a move for a rebounding big guy with a reasonable contract and no real baggage in exchange for some combination of expiring deals, existing non-active assets, and cash.

I don't know that Diop will be that move, but I actually see Diop as a good fit here, if only because he would provide three things the Spurs need: (1) a good positional post defender; (2) a credible second shot blocker; and (3) a reasonably good rebounder. Add to that the fact that he's still a fairly young player and his fit makes all the more sense. In fact, Diop could very easily be a better version of Nazr Mohammed at a significantly reduced price. It's not the sexy, splashy move that Casper wants, but it seems like the sort of heady, shrewd move that the Spurs tend to make.

[T Park]

Yeah I'm not against trading Mahinmi if it means bringing in a Diop or Mike Miller or Udonis Haslem.

Splitter is the one IMO that is untouchable out of the young bigs.

[pad300]

If he could be had, I could totally go for him.

How far would you go? Mahinmi (in a separate trade like they did Antoine Wright for a 2nd), our 2009 1st straight up, our 2008 1st, Splitter?

PS. Ghostwriter may be right!!! Hollinger agrees with everyone else...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...iddDeal-080213

And everyone here knows that Hollingers a pure stathead and therefore always wrong... (Not in this case!)

[T Park]

I actually see Diop as a good fit here, if only because he would provide three things the Spurs need: (1) a good positional post defender; (2) a credible second shot blocker; and (3) a reasonably good rebounder. Add to that the fact that he's still a fairly young player and his fit makes all the more sense. In fact, Diop could very easily be a better version of Nazr Mohammed at a significantly reduced price. It's not the sexy, splashy move that Casper wants, but it seems like the sort of heady, shrewd move that the Spurs tend to make.

Add that to hes been in for a couple years a very similar defense to what the Spurs run and he would be plugged in and not miss a beat. About as close to plug in a guy as you can get.

[T Park]

How far would you go? Mahinmi (in a separate trade like they did Antoine Wright for a 2nd), our 2009 1st straight up, our 2008 1st, Splitter?

PS. Ghostwriter may be right!!! Hollinger agrees with everyone else...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...iddDeal-080213

And everyone here knows that Hollingers a pure stathead and therefore always wrong... (Not in this case!)

I wouldn't trade Splitter. I would trade Mahinmi and or Elson. This year's draft pick? Probobly. 09's?? I dunno, more than likely yes.

[ChumpDumper]

Anyway, I can't believe people here hold Harris in such high regard.

Kidd kills him.

Define "kill."

Jerry Stackhouse, Devean George and Devin Harris each added 14 points, with Harris scoring nine during the fourth-quarter run....

"I think winning becomes contagious and anytime you win the locker room is more soulful and a little more joyful, maybe not because it's the holiday, but winning can help,'' said Jason Kidd, who had 13 assists along with nine points and nine rebounds on Saturday.

http://www.nba.com/games/20061205/DALNJN/recap.html


Boxscore of the last game Harris and Kidd played.

[T Park]

Hollinger agrees with everyone else...

Hollinger also said the Spurs would win the ring last year, so hes right every once in a while, if by luck or not who knows.

[FromWayDowntown]

Add that to hes been in for a couple years a very similar defense to what the Spurs run and he would be plugged in and not miss a beat. About as close to plug in a guy as you can get.

1. I don't think that Diop to SA is likely at all.

2. One thing that would bother me is AJ's hot-and-cold view of Diop. I suspect that Pop is a bit more patient with players and a bit less likely to suddenly change lineups, but the fact that Diop has frequently lost minutes while playing for AJ might suggest that we mostly see the best of Diop and frequently miss the worst of Diop and that the worst of Diop isn't particularly pretty.