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Carter is a guy whose name was made on dunking the rock. You would think that Spurs fans would understand that winning championships is about something other than that.
Ex: Your a dumbass. R wallace was in response to had any teams made a mid season trade to pick up an all star (or ex all star) and then went on to win it all.
Also the Spurs and Lakers were stronger than Portland because of Robinson and Duncan and ONeal and Bryant and Akeem.
Those 5 players were better than anyone on Portland and gave the Lakers spurs and rockets decided edges. Portland's management did well in getting solid players but they couldn't get a center good enough to match up with the lottery prizes that the other teams had.
R Wallace was Portland's best player after Drexler had left. Portland was weak at center and couldn't get by the Spurs Lakers or Hoston in the west. The spurs and Lakers had better teams because of their overall strenghts at center.
Brodels: Sabonis was past his prime when the Blazers got him. His best years were over seas. He was a jump shooting center who didn't play strong under the basket. A soft Euro who rather take jump shots and soft running hook shots than bang inside. Divac wasn't anything special especially when compared with what the Spurs had or Shaq or Akeem. neither sabonis nor Divac could match up with the talent the other top teams in the west had at center and if your weak at center or down low your generally going to struggle against the teams that are strong under the basket.
Also Sabonis was also often injured and really began to tail off quickly because of his bad legs.
MJ was an exception of being on a team that won despite a weak center.
But your talking about the best player ever.
But this is all getting off the subject.
Carter would have been a good addition on the spurs and if the spurs could have gotten him they should have gone for it. Especially if they also could have kept Manu. But I see nothing that indicated the spurs even considered Carter. Carter was a missed opportunity.
I still don't see anything convincing that carter would not work out on the spurs.
Now the main argument against it is he has to take a ton of shots to be effective. Thats total BS, thats really reaching.
Carter is a guy whose name was made on dunking the rock. You would think that Spurs fans would understand that winning championships is about something other than that.
To be most effective Carter does need shots.
Thats not to say he could not be effective as a sidekick to Duncan. He just would not score 25ppg on 50% shooting like you almost seem to imply.
Marcus,
Watch a Net game.
Out.
At the risk of seeming to be unknowledgeable, I don't get the Vince Carter thing. Why are some of you guys always engaged in the mix and match? Must be because you're playing the game online with your specific picks.
That is not reality!!!! Sure, you can get yourselves the best players at every position in your dream world, but the reality is that the best players at every position will not - I repeat WILL NOT guarantee a winning season. There's much more involved.
Chemistry is a potent force, which some of you seem to ignore. All you have to do is look at the wreck that used to be the Lakers.
Stop fiddling with the dials, put down the remote. I know, it's a man thing, but leave it the alone. We're doing just fine without Vince Carter and without Karl Malone, but you guys can't keep your hands off the remote in the hope you'll discover something better by changing the channels.
Is this a commitment problem?
Anybody who thinks Carter displays something the Spurs organization values or sees as a current deficincy on the team is completely out of touch with reality.
Carter takes twice as many shots as Manu and averages a whopping 4.6 points more per game.
Carter isn't clutch.
Carter is afraid of contact.
Carter is a dog defender.
Carter's work ethic is non-existant.
Explain to me how a player who doesn't play defense, would take shots away from Duncan and other more efficient players, hasn't noticably improved one single aspect of his game since he's been in the league, and is mentally almost as soft a Hedo is a "missed opportunity" for the Spurs franchise.
Damn, he'd fit in just fine on the Mavericks or Celtics, though...
Obviously you didn't watch the Detroit game yesterday. Carter wasn't shooting thirty footers for 41. He was going to the hole over the Wallace twins and every other Piston jersey. Also on defense he was blocking shots, stealing the ball, etc. etc.Carter is afraid of contact.
You can't be serious.
Dude will be an MVP candidate, if not the top 2 or 3 by the end of the year.
Call me when he's done that consistantly (play D and go to the hole) for more than a month or so.
I gauren- ing-tee you that once he's been in New Jersey for more than a couple months, he'll be back to the same he was doing in Canada.
Maybe, just maybe he'll prove me wrong. , Ricky Davis has turned things around this year. But for every positive result like Davis has turned out to be, there are 20 examples of trades for talented but problem players that don't turn out well.
Past performance is the best indicator of future performance. And there is nothing in Carter's past that shows he has the ability, desire, or for ude to play Spurs basketball.
Carter is starting for the Allstar team. Because he sucks?
Carter once jumped over a 7 footer to dunk the ball, is that avoiding contact?
He gets hurt because he doesn't avoid contact. If you want to say that he shouldn't have dissed Toronto and continued to play hard, then that's cool, however, I don't think he wanted to play there, it was in the press, he asked for a trade and continued to play hard and they kept him, so the next step was to be an asshole so they would have to get rid of him. Is the Nets a great organization to be in either? Probably not, but they have been playing great lately and they are making a few moves to at least be a playoff team. Vince Carter is very good, you'll see.
Carter = MVP Most Valuable Pussy
That is funny. He has jumper's knee. You know, from the year he and McGrady turned most practices and quite a few games into slam dunk compe ions instead of playing as a team?He gets hurt because he doesn't avoid contact.
Please tell me you're not serious. Grant Hill and Alonzo Mourning were both voted as startes by the fans in injury years. They must have been MVP candidates too, right?Carter is starting for the Allstar team. Because he sucks?
This is typically something that is said about a rookie or second year player... not something that has to be said about a supposed MVP candidate.Vince Carter is very good, you'll see.
Note: He is very good. You'll see.
That means you.
Beno may be good one day, Rasho may get some balls one day, blah blah blah....
Carter is de .
Carter....MVP... nice try Sequ
Why are we still arguing over this? It's pointless.
43 es! Whose your Daddy? Thats right... I am.
Bring it now homers!
*Sitting here with arms crossed waitin on the homer.........
Again, VC is an outstanding player but he needs minutes and shots to score +40 pts.
Tonight he played the full 48 minutes and took 32 shots for 43 pts.
Manu against PHO played 44 minuts and took 22 shots to score 48 pts.
So what is your point? That Manu can do likewise if given the opportunity?
Your just making huge assumptions there. Carter has been the go to guy for years at Toronto and now with the nets. Go look up his career stats to refresh your memory.
He has proven he can do it. Its just your speculation and assumption that manu is the type of player that can post similar numbers to what Carter is putting up with the Nets. Until I see it happen over the course of a full season and not just a game or two, he isn't at Carter's level.
Manu doesn't even play enough minutes as compared with Carter and thats not a good thing when comparing which player is better or more important to his team.
You like it rascal?
Yes
Not sure why they are huge. I could sau you are making huge assumptions that he can't.
Look, rascal, you probably thought Manu couldn't do many of the things he's done since last year becase you have wanted to trade him for "real talent" ever since I've been posting on this board. So sit down, relax and you will see the things Manu can do. He has already convinced the NBA coaches and people like Magic and Barkley he is an AS. In the long tun, even dorks like you and Sequ will come around.
Yes you can.
No, I think his point is just as one good game doesn't mean Manu is MVP caliber, then VC's 43 points today show !! He is just not MVP caliber like Nash has been this year.
Dam Carter was clutch tonight against pittyful laker squad. This is the type of player the Spurs could really use. Wait, we already have Barry nevermind.
EDIT:
Merged this thread for you.
Thanks TiMVP...once again you are da MAN
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Shameful that the Kidd/Carter Nets lose to the Kobe-less Lakers.
Bumped
Nikos: The most you had Carter contributing to the spurs is just as a "sidekick".
He would be more than that on the spurs. He would have stepped right in to become the badly needed 2nd scoring option the spurs didn't have in game one against Denver.
He would have filled the go to player that can spell Duncan and carry the team.
Sequa Spur was proven right in this thread the Nets made the playoffs. I didn't even think they would because of their slow start and the Jefferson injury but I knew carter was a great trade for them and a missed opportunity for the spurs to land a top player in the league.
uhhh...Spurs had NO chance of getting Carter...he made it clear he wanted to be in the NY market...Sequa Spur was proven right in this thread the Nets made the playoffs. I didn't even think they would because of their slow start and the Jefferson injury but I knew carter was a great trade for them and a missed opportunity for the spurs to land a top player in the league.
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