Carter:Another Spur missed trade opportunity

[rascal]

Every year top stars in the league change teams for next to nothing (Carter for Mourning, E Williams, A Williams and two 1'st round picks) and the Spurs are never involved in any of these type of trades to get a proven star quality player for nothing more than matching contracts and unknown future draft picks.

Carter was another example of a missed Spur opportunity.

Rose, Barry and Bowen (offered first) or Rose and Manu could have been offered for Carter and it may have been enough to land a proven 20+ point scorer.

A team with Duncan, Parker, Manu (if Tor took the first deal) and Carter as its core players would make the spurs an even better team.

I'm sure many here are going to say they don't want Carter.
But did the spurs even consider trading for Carter? And why not if they didn't?

The spurs do nothing when it comes to trades to improve even when teams are looking to give away proven star players.

The spurs will always have one of the top regular season records as long as duncan is one of the best players in the league because there are such few big inside impact players in the league as duncan is and the teams that have these players will be the best teams in the league. Look at how miami has turned it around by adding an impact inside player.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I find it interesting to see how many people are willing to just trade Manu for a proven star, when he has busted his ass for the team without complaint. I mean, he went through 2 seasons of being sixth man when he only should have gone one, having clearly proven his starter value during the beginning of last season. All the while not complaining at all, but instead doing everything he could to earn the respect of the San Antonio Spurs and their fans. I'm sorry, but I find the mere mention of trading Manu insulting not only to his personal fans, but to the integrity of this team, which is known for rewarding the players that bring them pride with loyalty and acceptance.

[Hook Dem]

I find it interesting to see how many people are willing to just trade Manu for a proven star, when he has busted his ass for the team without complaint. I mean, he went through 2 seasons of being sixth man when he only should have gone one, having clearly proven his starter value during the beginning of last season. All the while not complaining at all, but instead doing everything he could to earn the respect of the San Antonio Spurs and their fans. I'm sorry, but I find the mere mention of trading Manu insulting not only to his personal fans, but to the integrity of this team, which is known for rewarding the players that bring them pride with loyalty and acceptance.

Agreed 100 percent!

[RobinsontoDuncan]

manu is also cheep for his contributions, carter's contract would be a horrible burden

[ChumpDumper]

Carter is not worth it.

The Raptors might make the playoffs now that he's gone.

The Nets won't now that he's there.

How's that for impact?

[whottt]

I don't think so...not for half man, half the season


Remeber when we played Toronto this year and were slapping them out of their own building...

Until Carter went to the bench.

Rascal, if Vince is such a stud then the Nets will be le gold with he and Kidd on the same team...I think it's time for you to switch teams.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

manu is also cheep for his contributions, carter's contract would be a horrible burden

LOL Well, if sentimental reasoning does not work, you could always look at it from thiat perspective.! I agree

[Supergirl]

Carter is the most overrated player in the league. Plus he's injury prone, and he doesn't like to play defense. He would have been a terrible fit for this team, and the loss of Bowen's D and Bowen's leadership would have been devastating. Plus, the loss of Rose would have made our frontcourt rotation a little thin. Barry might have been replaceable, but he's such a good fit in style, at ude and character.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Manu also requires fewer minutes to be effective

[rascal]

The Nets weren't going to make the playoffs anyways. Kidd missed a good part of the early season, Mourning didn't work out and left them thin at center and now Jefferson is lost for the year.

Carter was a steal of a trade for them. He has been playing great for them.

[Dre_7]

I find it interesting to see how many people are willing to just trade Manu for a proven star, when he has busted his ass for the team without complaint. I mean, he went through 2 seasons of being sixth man when he only should have gone one, having clearly proven his starter value during the beginning of last season. All the while not complaining at all, but instead doing everything he could to earn the respect of the San Antonio Spurs and their fans. I'm sorry, but I find the mere mention of trading Manu insulting not only to his personal fans, but to the integrity of this team, which is known for rewarding the players that bring them pride with loyalty and acceptance.

I do agree with you to an extent. As a latino (or white or hispanic or american or watever ahhhhh!!! ) I love manu. I would not really wanna see him leave anytime soon. But, as a Spurs fan, if the right kinda deal came up, it would be hard to say no. You would have to think long and hard about trading him. No way would I trade him for Vince Carter! But I dont think he is leaving anytime soon. I hope this current nucleus stays together for a while. We have a great team.

[ChumpDumper]

Carter was a steal of a trade for them.

Wait for the next injury.

[timvp]

Welcome, GW, Jr.

[SequSpur]

Manu will never be one sock of a Vince Carter. Good take.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I do agree with you to an extent. As a latino (or white or hispanic or american or watever ahhhhh!!! ) I love manu. I would not really wanna see him leave anytime soon. But, as a Spurs fan, if the right kinda deal came up, it would be hard to say no. You would have to think long and hard about trading him. No way would I trade him for Vince Carter! But I dont think he is leaving anytime soon. I hope this current nucleus stays together for a while. We have a great team.

I'm not talking about race, color, gender or nacionality, I'm saying we should at least appreciate hard work and dedication before trading a player that helped the spurs to a second championship (before anyone jumps, I'm not saying the Spurs wouldn't have won without him, just saying he helped). What kind of message would we be sending? Work hard, give your best, and we'll reward you with a nice, big..... transfer to another team so we can get a better player! (in the middle of a record breaking season which you helped to achieve non-the-less)

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Besides its not like Manu isn't a good player, am I right?

[Dre_7]

I'm not talking about race, color, gender or nacionality, I'm saying we should at least appreciate hard work and dedication before trading a player that helped the spurs to a second championship (before anyone jumps, I'm not saying the Spurs wouldn't have won without him, just saying he helped). What kind of message would we be sending? Work hard, give your best, and we'll reward you with a nice, big..... transfer to another team so we can get a better player! (in the middle of a record breaking season which you helped to achieve non-the-less)

I wasnt talking about race either. I was just joking about that other thread where everyone was wondering "what" Manu was.

But anyways, I dont think he is going anywhere. but are you saying you would NEVER trade him? I am just saying that if the right deal comes up, then you at least gotta think about it.

[Brodels]

A team with Duncan, Parker, Manu (if Tor took the first deal) and Carter as its core players would make the spurs an even better team.

A more talented team? Absolutely. A better team? I beg to differ.

I'm sure many here are going to say they don't want Carter.

I don't want Carter. He needs lots of touches to be effective, and I think he really needs to be 'the man' on a team to be his best. On the Spurs, he would get less touches and be expected to pass the ball and play defense.

I have nothing against Carter, but because of his franchise-player status, injury history, and inability to make any N.B.A. team he's ever played on good, I'll pass. He's very talented, but he simply isn't worth the money and he would be a risk. The team could use some help in some areas, but it doesn't need a player like Carter.

You assume that adding more talent will make the Spurs better. History has shown that to be incorrect. You improve by adding the right pieces, not by trading for whatever talent might be available at any given time.

But did the spurs even consider trading for Carter?

We don't really know for sure.

And why not if they didn't?

If they did consider Carter and didn't end up making an offer for him, they did so because they believed that he wouldn't fit into what the team was trying to do. I can accept that. RC and Pop know what the team needs. They don't always make the right call, but I can't fault them for adding a player like Vince who obviously wouldn't fit.

The spurs do nothing when it comes to trades to improve even when teams are looking to give away proven star players.

The Spurs add players that fit. Are they conservative? Sure, but at least they don't try to throw together all the talent they can find and hope that it pans out.

The spurs will always have one of the top regular season records as long as duncan is one of the best players in the league because there are such few big inside impact players in the league as duncan is and the teams that have these players will be the best teams in the league. Look at how miami has turned it around by adding an impact inside player.

Get back to me when a non-post player of Shaq's caliber is available and you know for certain that the Spurs haven't made an offer.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I wasnt talking about race either. I was just joking about that other thread where everyone was wondering "what" Manu was.

But anyways, I dont think he is going anywhere. but are you saying you would NEVER trade him? I am just saying that if the right deal comes up, then you at least gotta think about it.

I guess you're right, except I wouldn't do it mid-season. Specially not this season, I wouldn't do that to someone who has been loyal. Some can call this BS, but I don't think it should only be about getting the better deal, there are other things to take into account. I mean we pride ourselves in being the most stand-up team in the league; no drug problems, no animal abuse problems, no at ude problems among team members, that sort of thing. We do well by our fans, as we do well by our players. We should keep it that way.

[Guru of Nothing]

Rascal, please qualify your Carter references; then, I won't have to waste synapses distinguishing between ANTHONY and VINCE.

Thanks.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Rascal, please qualify your Carter references; then, I won't have to waste synapses distinguishing between ANTHONY and VINCE.

Thanks.

If you confuse Anthony with Vince after you have read these posts you don't know much about the league.

[Brodels]

If you confuse Anthony with Vince after you have read these posts you don't know much about the league.

Er, if you thought he was serious, you simply aren't very bright.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, Anthony is .714 as a starter. Superstar Vince is .371

Once again proving stats only go so far--

--but Vince still sucks. If Devin Brown played 40mpg as a Net he'd average 23ppg with Kidd spoon feeding him all night, too.

[Dre_7]

Hey, Manumania- You tellin me that if IND offered J. O'neal for Manu (put aside the salary cap, this is just hypothetical/theoritical) straight up you wouldnt take it?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Er, if you thought he was serious, you simply aren't very bright.

You're right, I did think he was serious. If he wasn't then I apologyse. However, I don't appreciate you making remarks about how bright you might think I am. Keep those stupid comments to yourself next time, and we'll get along just fine. PS. believe it or not, I've been on other forums, and seen quite a few stupid questions and posts that have no indication of being humor, sarcasm or the like. Either way I would think a small mistake about confusing sarcasm or joke with a serious statement inside a forum where everything is written isn't that drastic.