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The conclusion so far:
Rodman was a better defender and athlete by far. Also won more championships and did it with two different franchises.
No, you don't look at win shares at all. That stuff is for statboys who can't properly assess the game and it's players.
The conclusion so far:
Rodman was a better defender and athlete by far. Also won more championships and did it with two different franchises.
2/10, tbh
Can't keep up with own troll thread: 1/10
Bump troll thread two months later: 1/10
1. Tickets to series clinching Game 4 of Suns/Spurs 2010 Semi-finals... $250
2. Longoria jersey... $70
3. Attempting to bring a basketball IQ of 14 into a basketball debate... Priceless.
ElNono, you talk a big game yet you can't back up your opinion with anything other than... exactly.
Rodman would Duncan in front of all these people and then eat his ass chew it up and spit it out...and Duncan would lay there bleeding to death...
America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.
Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.
SHAO-LIN IN DA HOOOOUSE!
Yeah, saying that 2 time Defensive player of the Year award winner, versatile shut down defender who successfully defended star players at every position on the court is better than a 0 time DPOY award winner who reluctantly defends his natural position is just hating.
No logic. Haters just gonna hate.
Lol
LOL once a wingman, always a wingman
LOL dumb, blind and stupid
tbonewaker: why did you start this thread when you already seem to know the answer? fishing much?
Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp's nuts says hi.
Nope, no need to offer up any "logic" in this here thread.
Translation for Laker fans: I don't want to look at stats which don't support my argument.
I was a little young when Rodman was in his prime, but yeah, I'd say he has a little bit over KG. (Maybe it's just because KG seemed physically gifted, and Rodman moreso had to make use of his will/desire/insert cliche here.
So, what exactly are you going by? What priority do you give the following:
All-Defense selections
DPOY
Stats
Personal opinion
You're a man. "Finally a realistic response!" Yes of course, only when the response looks like a response you WANT to see. & what the is the point of this thread? What kind of juxtaposition is Duncan & Rodman? Either you're a troll, or a high horse riding prick trying to bust Tim Duncan's chops for some repressed reason.Finally a realistic response. I can respect responses like this.
Cheers, lmbebo!
Rodman was the more versatile defender. At 6'7", he could guard positions 2-5 in some cases. Obviously he was more effective guarding 4-5 even at a height disadvantage.
ESPN classic?
Is it New Year's yet? Then STFU.
Especially if you look at an entire career. Rodman was a much better defender when he was with the Pistons. Then he started focussing entirely on rebound stats and would regularly leave his man early to get in position for the defensive board. The Rodman defender in his prime was better IMO, but he lost that intensity after the 2 championships by the Pistons. In addition, Rodman expended NO energy on offense while Duncan carried the Spurs' offense. Lastly, to say that Rodman has 5 rings to Duncan's 4 is somewhat irrelevant in this discussion. Was Robert Horry a better defender than both? In conclusion, I would say that Rodman was the better defender in his prime, but for their entire careers Duncan is due to the fact that Rodman decided to focus entirely on winning rebounding les the last half of his career and was nowhere near the same defender he was the first half.
Rodman was a better one on one defender, Tim is better at help D. Rodman is better on the boards, but often at the expense of defensive position. In his prime, Tim defended the pick and roll better than any big in history outside of KG. It all just depends on what you want. I will say that a Duncan/Rodman frontcourt would have been almost impossible to score on.
IMO Rodman and Duncan are a wash defensively, but I wouldn't argue with someone who'd give a slight nod to Rodman.
A lot of people here are seriously underrating Tim's defensive presence though. Tim has single-handedly anchored one of the best defenses in the league from 03/04 to 07/08. Even before that he was a defensive beast, and after a 2 year lull he's back to being a monster on defense. Think about it this way, KG won DPOY in 2008 for doing basically what Tim had done his whole career. In 2007, Tim or Bruce hands down deserved the award, but it went to Marcus Camby because the media was so obsessed with stats. DPOY is worthless in the debate between the two imo.
I'll give you theseDefensive Rebounding = Rodman
Team defense = Rodman by a hair
Theres no way in Rodman could've gaurded the Rasheed Wallace's, Kevin Garnett's, Shaquille O'neals like Duncan could have.Man to man defense (most important in the post) = Rodman
Also, Of course Rodman was a better defensive player. Thats all he did! Defense and Rebounding. Duncan's game literally translates in to all facets of the game, while Rodman's is limited to the amount of energy he can exert on the court. Rodman was a hauss. I would say Duncan could have been better, but he also had to take the offensive load also.
I would argue most great shot blockers don't just block their Man, they block the whole team. A block is a block, so I don't understand the logic on why this makes duncan any less of a shotblocker than anyone else. If anything this definitely helps his team defensive position. Duncan's weakness is his jumping ability but he's a smart defender who always seemed to make stops. From what I saw in the playoffs, if you needed a stretch where a player needed to get a rebound and make a stop, Duncan was always there. I coudlnt' say definitively who was a better playoff/finals defender/rebounder but Duncan is up there with the best.-Duncan was the better shot blocker (which doesn't make up for everything else Rodman is better at on Defense). Duncan averaged one more block than Rodman. This makes much more sense when you look a little deeper though. Something to remember is that Duncan get's a lot of his blocks from the weakside, hardly ever gets blocks on his own man. Not chopping his legs off here, just stating a fact. :-)
DPOY is not a worthless debate just because you think your player deserved to win but did not.
That does not and should not detract from Dennis' winning the award especially considering his era; He beat out a prime Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Mark Eaton and a young Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.
And you're talking about Marcus freakin Camby? Give me a break.
What do you mean there is "no way" he could have guarded Rasheed, Garnett and Shaq? lol
He guarded Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, James Worthy, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird but Rasheed and KG, "NO WAY!"
Idiot, lol.
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