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Oh my gosh! I haven't seen the news in days and had no idea the situation was so serious.
I'll be praying for the city and everyone it.
Just trying to lighten the mood.
Oh my gosh! I haven't seen the news in days and had no idea the situation was so serious.
I'll be praying for the city and everyone it.
Thank you.
What about all those casinos on barges? Something about a bussiness built, literally, on water that really seems like a bad idea.
I hope the fish like slots.
the 1yr old and the newborn arn't considered "special needs".......
The barges prob. escaped up the Mississippi
Until this year, all casinos but the NO Harrahs were required to be on barges.
Gotta admit, that was funny.I hope the fish like slots.
They cant move most of those those barges -- they're too soildly attached to the land. It is an unfortunate side efect of silly gaming laws. In Biloxi, they're just taking the money off the boats.
French Quarter??
After this is all drained and gone.
The French Quarter will be no more.
All the history of that area just taken away overnight.
Amazing.
With a ~20-25 foot storm surge....I cannot begin to fathom the destruction to casinos, marinas, and loading/unloading docks.
All that infrastructure built for the shipping industry, gone. But it's not just going to be on land, where bulldozers and cranes can get to it to clean it all up- it's going to be in the water, too, where divers and salvation crews will have to pick it out of the water. And we thought the destruction in Florida was bad....this is going to be absolutely awful.
It will take a while to get electricity working, as we have already discussed, but what about just cleaning the city up? If it's a few weeks to get power back, and another week beyond that to get all the water pumped out, there's a month min. before you can start cleanup.
And this is in a MAJOR US port.
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Area Forecast Discussion...updated
National Weather Service New Orleans La
452 Pm Cdt Sun Aug 28 2005
.update...to Add Tornado Watch #752.
.discussion...
Southeast Louisiana Seems Poised For A Date With Destiny As
Category 5 Hurricane Katrina Continues To Keep A Bead On Barataria
Bay And The Greater New Orleans Area. The Gfs Model Continues To
Be Superior In Its Handling Of The System Inasmuch As To Base The
Conventional Forecast Parameters With Good Integrity And In
Agreement With Nhc Advisories.
Needless To Say...the Worst Can Be Anticipated And Urgency Is
Being Stressed In All Products As A Worst Case Hurricane Scenario
For This Very Fragile And Vulnerable Stretch Of U.s. Coastline.
The Eye Is Emerging On The Klix Long Range Loop And Bands Are
Extending To Lake Pontchartrain At This Time. Things Will Be
Detiorating Steadily From This Point Forward For The Next 24
Hours.
Will Maintain All Warnings As Already Posted As Well As The Flash
Flood Watch. Storm Prediction Center Has Advised That The First
Tornado Watch Of The Event Will Likely Be Issued For The Region
Early This Evening...probably Right After Sunset.
Most Attention With This Package Was Day 1-2 With Little If Any
Changes Made Beyond Day 3. Good Luck And Godspeed To All In The
Path Of This Storm.
No more Mardi Gras.
With a ~20-25 foot storm surge....I cannot begin to fathom the destruction to casinos, marinas, and loading/unloading docks.
All that infrastructure built for the shipping industry, gone. But it's not just going to be on land, where bulldozers and cranes can get to it to clean it all up- it's going to be in the water, too, where divers and salvation crews will have to pick it out of the water. And we thought the destruction in Florida was bad....this is going to be absolutely awful.
It will take a while to get electricity working, as we have already discussed, but what about just cleaning the city up? If it's a few weeks to get power back, and another week beyond that to get all the water pumped out, there's a month min. before you can start cleanup.
And this is in a MAJOR US port.
Same thing happened to Galveston in 1900, I wonder what this will do to the Houston economy because some ships will prob have to be rerouted there.
everything expected to port in NO, will have to port in Galveston.
Extended power outages expected in EBR
By MIKE DUNNE
Advocate staff writer
Parish officials warned the public Sunday that Hurricane Katrina will likely cause an extended period of power outages – something like that endured after 1992’s Hurricane Andrew.
The state Office of Climatology said Katrina is a lot like 1969’s Hurricane Camille, which devastated the Mississippi Gulf Coast – except Katrina is larger. Officials urged people who don’t have a reason to travel to stay off the streets from 7 p.m. this evening until the storm passes, which will likely be about sunset on Monday.
Basically, the parish will be shut down Monday and Tuesday, said parish Chief Administrative Officer Walter Monsour during a meeting of emergency response officials Sunday morning.
Residents are urged to be prepared to live without electrical power for a week or possibly longer in some cases.
Jefferson and Orleans parishes have both called for dusk-to-dawn curfews, officials said. Additionally, Jefferson Parish Public Information Officer Jacquie Bauer said law enforcement officers plan to challenge anyone driving during the curfew to determine if they need to be out or not.
Nagin announced in a press conference that officers in Orleans also will be watching for people who are out during the curfew period.
Katrina continued its march northward through the Gulf of Mexico Sunday and was tracking right along the National Hurricane Center’s projected path. It is projected to come ashore in Barataria Bay on Monday morning, move over New Orleans or just east of the city, over Lake Borgne and into the Mississippi-Louisiana border before hooking into Mississippi once well inland.
The storm was in the strongest class of tropical weather – a Class 5 hurricane packing 175-mile-per-hour winds. There may be some diminishing of winds before landfall, but it will still be at least a strong Category 4 storm.
Even being more than 100 miles from the Gulf of Mexico, East Baton Rouge and the surrounding area will still get hit with high winds and some occasional heavy rainfall, officials said.
“This is not going to be a power outage for a day or two — two or three days and back to normal,” said parish Chief Administrative Officer Walter Monsour, filling in for an out-of-town Mayor-President Kip Holden. “Unless God sends us a blessing,” he added Sunday morning to assembled emergency response officials from public agencies and private companies such as utilities and hospitals.
“This is going to be a long-term situation,” Monsour emphasized.
Bill Benedetto of Entergy said his company, which serves most of the Baton Rouge area as well as most of New Orleans and the low-lying parishes to the south of it, that the company expects to have to rebuild its entire grid in some places, such as St. Bernard, Plaquemines and parts of Terrebonne parishes. “It could be weeks – even months – before everybody is back on,” he said.
The storm to bring winds of 20-30 miles per hour this evening, increasing to 30-40 miles per hour overnight. Early in the morning, tropical storm force winds will arrive. By 9 a.m. Monday, winds of about 30-45 miles per hour are expected. “We will have 12-15 hours of 35-mile-per-hour winds” or greater with gusts of 70 miles per hour or greater, especially associated with thunderstorms and rain bands spun off of Katrina, which will be to the area’s east.
Benedetto said Entergy will assess damage, create a plan and attack the work to be done. Robin Keller of DEMCO said that utility, which services Central, the Baker-Zachary area and some sections of the Sherwood Forest and Millerville areas, will do the same.
Keller said that while it might not make sense, in the wake of the storm some grids that get power back could temporarily lose electricity so crews can restore others’ power. “That way we know every line is safe and the guys can hustle.”
She reminded everyone to treat downed wires as if they were live.
Both Benedetto and Keller said they have already summoned and staged repair crews – but both utilities suffer from the fact that some workers that might normally be called upon are repairing damage from Katrina’s first landfall in South Florida.
Department of Public Works Assistant Director Jeff Broussard said his crews won’t start cleanup until winds drop below 35 miles per hour. He said they often work hand-in-hand with Entergy and DEMCO to make sure that power lines are not hot before trying to clear trees.
Metro Airport Director Anthony Marino said Delta Airline’s last fight out will be at 6:30 p.m. Sunday and Northwest Airlines will suspend service at 4:30 p.m. He said he has not heard from other airlines yet, but expected to be closed down by 7 p.m. and he expects no departures in the morning, either.
Lt. Col. Mark Oxley of Louisiana State Police said many people in the New Orleans area are just now evacuating. “Contraflow,” or using all lanes of an interstate highway in one direction, continues on Interstate 10 from Clearview Parkway to the intersections of I-10 and I-55 where I-55 becomes four lanes out of the area well past the intersection of Interstate 12. I-10 goes back to flowing in both directions at the LaPlace interchange.
Contraflow is also occurring on Interstate 59 out of Slidell. The process will be reversed after the storm to let people back in more quickly once an all-clear has been issued, he said.
Traffic on I-10 going west should be heavy all day long. Anyone with traffic concerns can call State Police at 1-800-469-4828, Oxley said.
Officials from both public and Catholic schools announced schools will be closed Monday and Tuesday and a decision beyond that would be made after the storm passes.
Kenilworth Middle School is being used as a shelter and an official from American Red Cross said plans were in the works to open others as needed. Superintendent of Schools Charlotte Placide said both Tara and Woodlawn high schools were on standby to open as shelters.
Evacuations had been ordered in most of southeastern Louisiana as Katrina moved toward the Louisiana coast.
New Orleans he said.
Traffic on I-10 going west should be heavy all day long. Anyone with traffic concerns can call State Police at 1-800-469-4828, Oxley said.
Officials from both public and Catholic schools announced schools will be closed Monday and Tuesday and a decision beyond that would be made after the storm passes.
Kenilworth Middle School is being used as a shelter and an official from American Red Cross said plans were in the works to open others as needed. Superintendent of Schools Charlotte Placide said both Tara and Woodlawn high schools were on standby to open as shelters.
Evacuations had been ordered in most of southeastern Louisiana as Katrina moved toward the Louisiana coast.
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation Sunday. He said he knew a large number of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, so the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.
The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.
“We are facing a storm that most of us have long feared,” Nagin said.
The storm surge most likely could topple the city’s levee system, which protects it from surrounding waters of Lake Pontchartrain, the Mississippi River and marshes, the mayor said. The bowl-shaped city must pump water out during normal times, and the hurricane threatened pump power.
“This is a once in a lifetime event,” the mayor said. “The city of New Orleans has never seen a hurricane of this magnitude hit it directly.”
He told those who had to move to the Superdome to come with enough food for several days and with blankets. He said it will be a very uncomfortable place and encouraged everybody who could to get out.
A radio station in New Orleans reported that Jefferson planned to sandbag U.S. 61, Airline Highway, at the St. Charles Parish line beginning at 5 p.m., which would close down traffic on that key roadway. The station also reported the parish has issues a dusk-to-dawn curfew.
State Police reported that south Louisiana interstates are heavily congested and suggested motorists use some alternate routes of travel when exiting New Orleans. They recommend:
La. Highway 3127 to La. Highway 70 to La Highway 1 north.
U.S. Highway 90 west to I-49 north.
U.S. Highway 61 north.
I-10 east to I-59 north.
Causeway to I-12 west to I-55 north.
I-10 west to I-55 north.
The Associated Press cont
I'm uneducated on this subject and have a few questions:
Is this is expected to be the worst hurricane in U.S. history? Are the winds stronger than any other we've had? Or is it because it's so big?
Is there a chance it can somehow change path at all and be less destructive .. not slam directly into N.O.?
Think about the crowd control in the Superdome. Looting won't be a big deal in the city, because unless the theifs have boats there is a logistical problem, but you get all those tens of thousands of people packed in uncomfortable seating, with emotions running high knowing there are people drowning and dieing outside. People are going to snap. Human nature is going to take over and mob mentality will rule.
They better get that place STOCKED with security. I know they're taking away guns and alcohol, which is smart for obvious reasons, but these people are going to snap.
They better mainline pepper spray into those water hoses. Crowd control, Alamodome-style
The worst part of the storm is always to the east. If it hits slightly to the west of New Orleans, that is the worst possible scenario. If it hits to the East, that is the best possible scenario- for New Orleans. A dead-on hit is obviously middling the two scenarios.Is there a chance it can somehow change path at all and be less destructive .. not slam directly into N.O.?
As far as chances go, here's a quick answer:
Storms are unpredictable, especially ones of this size. When I was young, we almost got obliterated by a Cat 3 hurricane in Hawaii, but it took a 90 degree turn less than a mile off-shore and a matter of hours away. Missed us completely.
ANYTHING is possible, but the most likely scenario is a hit in the N.O./Mobile area. But with a storm this size, a few miles in either direction is not going to make much of a difference. If you are on the Lousiana, Mississippi, Alabama or Florida coasts (for the areas involved), bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. You might not take a direct hit, but you ARE going to take a hit.
Last edited by Samr; 08-28-2005 at 05:36 PM.
It's in the top three so far in terms of barometric pressure AND it's huge.
I thought hitting west of NO would lessen the storm surge.
I think most people regaurd Camille and Andrew as the worst hurricanes the US has seen. Both Camille and Andrew had a higher pressure at landfall than Katrina has right now. If Katrina continues on it's path and remains the same in strength and what-not, IMO it'll be the worst hurricane in US history.
Even if it doesn't hit NO directly, I think the effects will still be really really bad...especially if it hits to the east. All that water (Lake area) will see extremely high storm surges which will probably lead to tons of flooding.
I disagree because the wind is going to come of Lake Pontchartrain and flood New Orleans. The way it is looking now is that it is going to hit about 15 to 25 miles east of New Orleans.If it hits to the East, that is the best possible scenario- for New Orleans.
This damage this one's going to cause will make Camille look like a fart in a swimming pool. The sheer amount of those poor people stuck there is heartbreaking. It's hard to believe that in this day and age 100K people are stuck without anyway to get out and are being forced to take Katrina's wrath on the chin.
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Fox News is showing the requisite stupid white folk standing on Alabama jetties as the surge rolls in.
Well like I said, nothing is good. New Orleans is not exactly in the best of places. They have so many things working against them, it's just pick your poison.I disagree because the wind is going to come of Lake Pontchartrain and flood New Orleans. The way it is looking now is that it is going to hit about 15 to 25 miles east of New Orleans.
It's really easy to go off on worst-case-scenario, because everything can compound so quickly. Hopefully the levees will hold, because if they can do that then a lot of the Death by _X_ scenarios will be null and void. But if the city floods, it's anybody's guess as to what happens.
I don't think a 15 or 20 mile variance in either direction will make a huge difference. Would you rather get clipped by an 18 wheeler or hit it head on? Either way, you're pretty much dead.
To put it lightly.
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