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start a pe ion to move mardi gras to Austin. BOOOBIES!!!!!!
start a pe ion to move mardi gras to Austin. BOOOBIES!!!!!!
Lake Charles was nice last weekend -- maybe the Coushatta casino will still be around....
The sad part is if it hits just right, NO really is toast.
No, the sad part is knowing this is a threat to their city's safety for upteen years, their sole public emergency management plan consists of praying.
It's completely assenine that the pumps they use to get water out of the city are in a location where they will be flooded almost immediately.
They'd have to come in and rebuild pumps on higher ground in that situation. Why the pumps aren't in a higher location to begin with is dumfounding.
Their evac plan also sucks, they should be forcing people to get out now.
I thought they did voodoo on the hurricanes in NO?
It is pretty stupid to build a city of that size in a such a ty location.
The latest predictinos on this storm is Category 5. Cat 5 storms are basically something that will anything up, and then some. We're talking Camille. Now, the saving grace is that the storm will probably lose some strength before landfall due to a less favorable environment.
But honestly, the difference between 155mph winds, and 131 mph winds is ing academic. That city is screwed, and is right in the cross hairs. I don't see the storm missing it. I just don't. The models seem to have a firm grasp on this storm. The saving grace is that models have a much harder time with stronger storms because they don't have as much info to go off.
This season continue to be flat out amazing. Thats 3 catagory 4 storms in the gulf ladies and gentleman, and we have yet to reach the peak of the season. Thats not for another 3 weeks.
From a commercial standpoint, it's in a great location -- near the mouth of the continent's greatest waterway. It appears it will suffer the fate of anther port city on the Gulf --> Galveston, or even worse --> Indianola.
Many of you have never heard of Indianola. It was near Port Lavaca. The majority of the German settlers in Texas docked at what was then the greatest port on the Gulf of Mexico other than New Orleans. But a succession of two devastating hurricanes wiped it out of existence.
The problem with New Orleans is that it was allowed to subside quite seriously without doing anything about it, and the Army Corps of Engineers utterly ed up the delta with their levee system, and the dam and lock system near Angola. Fully 20% of the state of Louisiana from the 1930's has been reclaimed by the Gulf of Mexico, because our all-knowing government completely screwed up the means by which the river laid down the silt that makes up the southern half of the state.
Let's hope it weakens. If a Cat 5 hits New Orleans, the models say it becomes a permanent part of Lake Pontchartrain. The loss of life would rival or exceed what happened in the tsunami last year.The latest predictinos on this storm is Category 5. Cat 5 storms are basically something that will anything up, and then some. We're talking Camille. Now, the saving grace is that the storm will probably lose some strength before landfall due to a less favorable environment.
Im still shocked at this hurricane.
Proud to be a Texan.
Just saw on the news the long line of traffic heading out of New Orleans.
I learned something while reading up on this. The federal government keeps two natural disaster scenarios on permanent standby with FEMA. One is a direct hurricane hit on New Orleans and the storm heading up the Mississippi River. The second is a 8.0+ San Francisco earthquake.
My mother's 1st house in Texas was actually from Indianola... it was outside the city limits adn they moved it after the town was obliterated. I still can't even imagine how they took the house apart and moved it without the beneift of a uhaul or 18wheeler.Indianola.
I saw on the news that the flood waters could rise to 20 feet in NO and last for weeks.
The oddly funny part is, if you ever take one of those buggy tours of the Vieux Carre, the guides will mention how when (not if) the big H hits, NO will be toast. It was almost as if they were anticipating it.
Just like SF and the Big One, as pointed out above.
*Sigh*, wonder if there'll be a Bayou Classic this year . . .
Well, the upside is that it will wash out all the puke and piss from the streets
You guys might get the NFL Saints one of a lot earlier than you thought.
Y'know, it would be just classic if the Big Easy had one last party in the streets right before it happened.Well, the upside is that it will wash out all the puke and piss from the streets
I ripped this off of another board...it's an article in the Atlanta Journal-Cons ution from last year about Hurricane Ivan. Same premise, however.
Direct hit by Ivan could submerge New Orleans tree-top deep
NEW ORLEANS — The worst-case scenario for New Orleans — a direct strike by a full-strength Hurricane Ivan — could submerge much of this historic city treetop-deep in a stew of sewage, industrial chemicals and fire ants, and the inundation could last for weeks, experts say.
If the storm were strong enough, Ivan could drive water over the tops of the levees that protect the city from the Mississippi River and vast Lake Pontchartrain. And with the city sitting in a saucer-shaped depression that dips as much as 9 feet below sea level, there would be nowhere for all that water to drain.
Even in the best of times, New Orleans depends on a network of canals and huge pumps to keep water from ac ulating inside the basin.
"Those folks who remain, should the city flood, would be exposed to all kinds of nightmares from buildings falling apart to floating in the water having nowhere to go," Ivor van Heerden, director of Louisiana State University's Hurricane Public Health Center, said Tuesday.
LSU's hurricane experts have spent years developing computer models and taking surveys to predict what might happen.
The surveys predict that about 300,000 of the 1.6 million people living in the metropolitan area would risk staying.
The computer models show a hurricane with a wind speed of around 120 mph or more — hitting just west of New Orleans so its counterclockwise rotation could hurl the strongest surf and wind directly into the city — would push a storm surge from the Gulf of Mexico and Lake Pontchartrain over the city's levees. Ivan had sustained wind of 140 mph Tuesday.
New Orleans would be under about 20 feet of water, higher than the roofs of many of the city's homes.
Besides collecting standard household and business garbage and chemicals, the flood would flow through chemical plants in the area, "so there's the potential of pretty severe contamination," van Heerden said.
Severe flooding in area bayous also forces out wildlife, including poisonous snakes and stinging fire ants, which sometimes gather in floating balls carried by the current.
A rescue of people who stayed behind would be among the world's biggest since 1940, when Allied forces and civilian volunteers during World War II rescued mostly British soldiers from Dunkirk, France, and carried them across the English Channel, van Heerden predicted.
Much of the city would be under water for weeks. And even after the river and Lake Pontchartrain receded, the levees could trap water above sea level, meaning the Army Corps of Engineers would have to cut the levees to let the water out.
"The real big problem is the water from sea level on down because it will have to be pumped and restoring the pumps and getting them back into action could take a considerable amount of time," said John Hall, the Corps' spokesman in New Orleans.
Hall spoke from his home — 6 feet below sea level — as he prepared to flee the city himself. The Corps' local staff was being relocated 166 miles north to Vicksburg, Miss.
New Orleans was on the far western edge of the Gulf Coast region threatened by Ivan, and forecasters said Tuesday that the hurricane appeared to moving toward a track farther east, along the Mississippi coast.
If the eye came ashore east of the city, van Heerden said, New Orleans would be on the low side of the storm surge and would not likely have catastrophic flooding.
The worst storm in recent decades to hit New Orleans was Hurricane Betsy in 1965, which submerged parts of the city in water 7-feet deep and was blamed for 74 deaths in Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida. That storm was a Category 3, weaker than Ivan is expected to be.
Even if New Orleans escapes this time, van Heerden said, it will remain vulnerable until the federal and state governments act to restore the coastal wetlands that should act as a buffer against storms coming in from the Gulf.
Louisiana has lost about a half million acres of coast to erosion since 1930 because the Mississippi River is so corralled by levees that it can dump sediment only at its mouth, and that allows waves from the Gulf to chop away at the rest of the coastline.
"My fear is, if this storm passes (without a major disaster), everybody forgets about it until next year, when it could be even worse because we'll have even less wetlands," van Heerden said.
http://www.charlierobison.net/Lyrics...Indianola.html
Song : Indianola
MY LITTLE BROTHER WAS JUST 10 YEARS OLD
WHEN WE HIT BAD WEATHER AND HID IN THE HOLE
WE COULD SEE TEXAS IT WAS ONLY A MILE
OH LITTLE BROTHER I REMEMBER YOUR SMILE
AT INDIANOLA
MY DAD BUILT A SAW MILL
OF CYPRESS AND STONE IT WAS THERE ON THE MEDINA
THAT WE MADE OUR HOME
IT WAS YEAR 1850 I SENT FOR MY GIRL
OH FRAULEIN COME MEET ME IN THIS BRAND NEW WORLD
AT INDIANOLA
WHEN THE WAR THEY CALLED CIVIL
HAD BARELY BEGUN ME AND MY COUSINS DECIDED WE’D RUN
UP THROUGH LOUISIANA TO MEET UP WITH GRANT
BUT 100 DAMN REBELS SHOT US THERE IN THE SAND
AT INDIANOLA
THEY SAID UP IN NEW YORK THE STOCK MARKET FELL
AND THE LIFE THEY WAS LIVING WAS SHOT ALL TO
BUT WE AIN’T SEEN NOTHIN’ NO DIFFERENT THAN DUST
‘CEPT THE WHEELS ON THE WAGONS ALL COVERED IN RUST
AT INDIANOLA
WHEN THAT SCRAP WITH OL’ HITLER
WAS OVER AND DONE
I WONDERED IF I HAD KILLED KIN WITH MY GUN
WE SAT THERE IN PARIS IN A LITTLE CAFÉ
AND AS THEY TOASTED TRUMAN I DRIFTED AWAY
TO INDIANOLA
WELL IT’S 50 YEARS LATER AND NOBODY CARES
ABOUT SOME OLD CITY THAT AIN’T EVEN THERE
WELL,MY SONS MOVED TO HOUSTON AND THEY WORK IN THE GULF
IT’S 7 DAYS ON AND 7 DAYS OFF
I WORK FOR THE DOCTOR WHO BOUGHT OUR OLD RANCH
FROM FIRST QUALITY FEDERAL THE FORECLOSURES BRANCH
AND HE CALLS ME HILLBILLY AND LAUGHS AT MY HAIR
BUT A CANCER WILL GET HIM IF ANYTHING’S FAIR
AND I’LL TAKE HIS ASHES TO THROW FROM MY BOAT
‘CAUSE ACROSS THAT OCEAN I’M GOING TO FLOAT
TO FIND ME ANOTHER INDIANOLA
I had a huge ing post typed up and lost it. Damnit.
ES, Jess and I discussed what you were talking about this afternoon and she explained to me how the city was founded due to access to the river. It makes sense.
This storm has the potential to reach catagory 5 status and there really is nothing to inhibit it at this time. The best thing for NO would be what is known as an eye wall replacement cycle at landfall. The hurricane would probalby drop to at least a catagory 3 in that situation, but if not it will probably be at least a catagory 4 if not 5.
I don't forsee a large loss of life due to the evacuations, but I do forsee a large scale property disaster. I don't know how the economy would be affected if insurance companies took a hit that large.
This is also something to keep in mind:
That is posted in Steve Gregory's blog. He's a meteorologist in the private sector and one of the services he provides is weather forcasts that pertain to the effect they have on the energy industry.SPECIAL NOTE: Hurricane Katrina is heading for 'Prime Oil Producing Real Estate' in the north central Gulf.
Unless the forecasts prove very wrong (as in landfall 250 miles to the east, or the storm is much weaker) -- Oil prices
will jump tremendously on Monday. Last year IVAN took out fully 6% of the entire U.S. annual Production of oil
and a fair amount of this years record high prices has to do with the 'threat' of another IVAN. On Friday, the 'market
thought' Katrina would be a CAT 2 in the Florida Panhandle - and priced oil accordingly. If Katrina 'stays on course',
prices will jump $3-$5 per barrel Monday morning. Further increases to $75/bbl may follow Tuesday if there are reports
of serious infrastructure damage on par with that done last year by IVAN - by far the most expensive hurricane to affect
the U.S. oil producing industry.
The more I read about how many people are not evactuating, the sadder I am getting. I'm hoping this torm somehow misses NO, because I can't imagine the magnitude of the catastrophe that is about to happen.
This is flat out horrible.
Yep, from what I've heard a direct hit will result in a huge loss of life due to the folks who for whatever dumbass reason think it's okay to stay.
The citizens of NO who stick around may be in line for the world's biggest Darwin award ever.
Sad.
I hope none of those people have kids
Well, a lot of them don't have the ability to leave. 100,000 without transportation. You can't get far walking.
It's not just about being stupid, it's about not having very many options.
All I know is that if I was leaving town, and if I had room in a vehicle for people, I woudl find SOMEBODY to take. I couldn't fathom leaving other people behind.
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