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    god is inspiring me to write this post.

    why? only god knows.

    You're antiamerican!

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    I hear you. Today's youth is more prone to "need to see it" before they can believe it. It is like proving "love". We can't see it but we know it is there.
    You most certainly can prove love. Try looking at scans of brain activity when a person is experience different emotions and moods. They all have patterns.

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    No i know a lot of about faith i use to be a avid church attendee, and even a founding member of the Jay Christian Fellowship at my high school. I then just started to use my brain and put logic into religion and it all seems a bit lagging by far. Too much bs if you ask me, I mean its not something you can just buy into, and i learned that, its something you have to just believe in, but how do you believe in something that is totally ilogical? something that goes against every bit of reason? Its not worth believing

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    The problem here is not one between religion and science. It is when people use their ignorance or science's ignorance in order to prove that there is a god. That is an established pattern for how to develop myths.

    Religion can play a part in life and it may be a very important one to many. Science can in no way rule out the existance of a God and the general goal of the scientific community is not to rule out God!

    Science seeks to understand the way the world works and one day may end up proving the very existance of God!

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    I hear you. Today's youth is more prone to "need to see it" before they can believe it. It is like proving "love". We can't see it but we know it is there.

    Too hard to try to put into words I guess but for me the fact that God exists can be seen everywhere from the smiles on my daughter's faces to the feeling I get inside when I look at them sleeping.

    I mean I have no idea how radio waves travel across the air and come out of box sitting in my bedroom but I know it works.

    I believe in the power of the Holy Spirit so thus believe in the Bible.

    But I understand how you can feel like you do.

    I mean....I don't get the Quattro thing at all.
    Todays youth want "god" to come out on TV. They want to know why a book
    and not flash memory. They want to know why fish and not pizza.
    They want to know why the cross and not the electric chair.They want to know why walk on water rather than elevating.

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    Kip how do you explain DNA? Or the fact that they can clone human beings?

    If I can get myself cloned and this person thinks, talks, walks, eats, s, sleeps exactly like me, how do you explain that? Did they clone my soul too?

    From what I've read a clone will look like you but would not "think or act" like you because of the fact that while biologically it would be the same..emotionally it is impossible. At least that is how I see it.

    But I'm no scientist just a HS grad posting on the net.

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    I believe there is something "out there", I just don't have a clue what it is. Supreme being seems a little too focused for me to use. I definitely do not believe any religion on earth has a clue as to what "it" is.

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    You most certainly can prove love. Try looking at scans of brain activity when a person is experience different emotions and moods. They all have patterns.
    But how can you prove those patterns are "love"? Hum?

    You just proved my point. You want to "see" it.

    Because PHD Joe Blow says they are? And again that does not PROVE love.

    And sending some chick some flowers and a box of chocolates is not proof of love.

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    I like the Bart Simpson Show take on "god".

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    I believe there is something "out there", I just don't have a clue what it is. Supreme being seems a little too focused for me to use. I definitely do not believe any religion on earth has a clue as to what "it" is.

    Don't you think a Supreme Being would want to make himself known? Don't you think he would provide a way for that to happen?

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    But how can you prove those patterns are "love"? Hum?

    Because PHD Joe Blow says they are? And again that does not PROVE love.

    And sending some chick some flowers and a box of chocolates is not proof of love.
    Its the carrot theory.

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    All I know is that these pretzels are making thirsty and God has made it so I know I'm thirsty. Even though I can't see my thirst it is there so I'm going to drink some mighty fine H2O to quench it.

    Thank God for water!

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    When you get sick, do you go to a hospital or a priest? When you need something fixed, do you call the appropriate company or do you look up the answer in the bible? When you want your kids taught the explanation to what causes the Aurora Borealis do you look up a psalm or do you look up a chapter in a science book?

    Man by no means has all of the answers, but that by no means makes a case that evolution is wrong. If you want to use that arguement to justify your stance, you might as well discredit every other benfit you gather from science.


    You're so ing full of ! You want to use the inability of weather forcasting to prove the existance of a higher being? Well then explain to me how we have advanced the ability to forcast to the point we have now? At one point, we were unable to predict jack , and now we have a much better grasp on why things occur when they do and why.

    No, if you seek to explain everything that is not fully understood as proof that there is a god, then you go right ahead. But don't sit there and tell me that you are right based on an assumption. That is flat out bull .

    Many people have thought like you did. You can find the information on their explanations in any M volume of an encyclopedia. Right under Mythology.

    I'm not even discounting the pressence of any higher being, but I'm pointing out that your rationalization for one is the same rationalization that has been used by societies to explain the unknown and not a single one of them has turned out to be right.

    So, what should I follow? You're logic based on an assumption, or science that admits to not being able to explain everything but seeks answers in a process backed by information? It is an easy choice for me.
    As I said before God has give knowledge to man to a certain point. Yes I do go to a doctor when I get sick because God has given certain individuals knowledge about the human body. When my AC goes out, I call the AC guy because he has more knowledge on ACs than what I do. Your point? What about the thousands of people who have been diagnosed with life threatening diseases such as cancer and then some time down the line its gone without any type of medicine? How does that happen? They got lucky? Doubt it. Its obvious I struck a nerve when it came to the weather Manny. Why? Because the truth hurts. The weather folks have made huge steps in TRYING to predict the weather, but are never 100% sure as to what is going to happen. Why do you all of sudden use curse words to argue your belief? I guess its because you don't have an explanation as to why you and lots of others can't predict as to what is going to happen with our weather. You and I weren't meant to know the answer to everything. Face it. I'm not trying to make you upset. I am just giving you reasons as to why I believe that we were created by God and that God exists. You don't have to believe me. You may think my arguements aren't good enough for you doubt evolution. That's fine with me. God gave you the free will to believe in whatever you desire to. I am just simply stating I don't believe in evolution because the so called information given to us doesn't prove 100% that humans evolved. I appreciate science and things I have learned from science, but I don't believe everything science says is true. Do you believe everything a used car salesman tells you when you pull into his lot? Of course not. Man has been wrong on many issues and his changed his answers the more time passes. So why should I believe man when it comes to evolution?

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    But how can you prove those patterns are "love"? Hum?

    You just proved my point. You want to "see" it.

    Because PHD Joe Blow says they are? And again that does not PROVE love.

    And sending some chick some flowers and a box of chocolates is not proof of love.
    Joe, it proves that there is a chemical reaction going on inside of your brain that can be interrpreted as love by you. It isn't about PHD anybody saying something, it is about studies being done that show proof of what they are seeking to explain.

    You may not think there is physical proof in love, but quite to the contrary there is.

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    All I know is that these pretzels are making thirsty and God has made it so I know I'm thirsty. Even though I can't see my thirst it is there so I'm going to drink some mighty fine H2O to quench it.

    Thank God for water!
    salt makes you thirsty not god!

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    Don't you think a Supreme Being would want to make himself known? Don't you think he would provide a way for that to happen?
    Why do you think a supreme being would want to make himself known?

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    If the Supreme bring was superior in everything, his virtue would lead him show men kindness.

    And even if the Supreme being was only powerful and cruel, I think his lust for control alone would be reason enough to reveal himself.

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    I just don't see anyone with the power to control everything, choosing to be forever hands off.

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    all I read are questions upon questions upon questions.

    NOONE KNOWS ANYTHING!

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    As I said before God has give knowledge to man to a certain point. Yes I do go to a doctor when I get sick because God has given certain individuals knowledge about the human body. When my AC goes out, I call the AC guy because he has more knowledge on ACs than what I do. Your point? What about the thousands of people who have been diagnosed with life threatening diseases such as cancer and then some time down the line its gone without any type of medicine? How does that happen? They got lucky? Doubt it. Its obvious I struck a nerve when it came to the weather Manny. Why? Because the truth hurts. The weather folks have made huge steps in TRYING to predict the weather, but are never 100% sure as to what is going to happen. Why do you all of sudden use curse words to argue your belief? I guess its because you don't have an explanation as to why you and lots of others can't predict as to what is going to happen with our weather. You and I weren't meant to know the answer to everything. Face it. I'm not trying to make you upset. I am just giving you reasons as to why I believe that we were created by God and that God exists. You don't have to believe me. You may think my arguements aren't good enough for you doubt evolution. That's fine with me. God gave you the free will to believe in whatever you desire to. I am just simply stating I don't believe in evolution because the so called information given to us doesn't prove 100% that humans evolved. I appreciate science and things I have learned from science, but I don't believe everything science says is true. Do you believe everything a used car salesman tells you when you pull into his lot? Of course not. Man has been wrong on many issues and his changed his answers the more time passes. So why should I believe man when it comes to evolution?
    Dude, are you familliar with the enter key? Use it.

    If you want to pick and choose what you belive is true regardless of evidence, there is no point in me presenting said evidence, is there? You have and continue to demonstrate the will to disgard what you don't want to believe regardless of any validity it may or may not have.

    Discussing a subject with you on which we do not see eye to eye is akin to slamming my head on a wall and both are likely to produce a simillar result; a headache.

    So on that note, I step out of KipLand.

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    just because humans are infinitely ignorant doesn't mean there is A SUPREME FORCE out there who knows all and controlls all

    but that doesn't mean there isn't, either

    it's a matter of faith, naturalmente
    si......naturalmente.


    Only god knows why Mexico never wins "El Mundial"

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    all I read are questions upon questions upon questions.

    NOONE KNOWS ANYTHING!
    I know for me, but I cannot prove anything to you.

    All I can do is tell you the evidence of God I've seen and leave you to research and draw your own conclusions.

    Only you can know that you know something.

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    all I read are questions upon questions upon questions.

    NOONE KNOWS ANYTHING!
    You just proved what I have been saying. We don't have the answers to everything because we weren't created to have all the answers. Christians have faith in Jesus Christ. Faith is being sure of what you hope for the evidence of things not yet seen.

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    From what I've read a clone will look like you but would not "think or act" like you because of the fact that while biologically it would be the same..emotionally it is impossible. At least that is how I see it.

    But I'm no scientist just a HS grad posting on the net.

    well all else being equal we would act and think the same, as close as possible

    if cbf no. 1 got in a car wreck at 10 AM and cbf no. 2 got laid at 10 AM, then they'd probalby give different responses to someone asking for spare change


    but if they experience similar emotional events in the day/ if most other things were equal, we'd respond and act very very similar to pretty much everything

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    If the Supreme bring was superior in everything, his virtue would lead him show men kindness.

    And even if the Supreme being was only powerful and cruel, I think his lust for control alone would be reason enough to reveal himself.
    I can't agree with this. Humans may not be worthy or relevant enough for the supreme being to reveal himself to us at this point. That's assuming the supreme being would actually care. Humans may not be developed enough yet. However, there are civilizations in other parts of the universe that possibly have a better grasp than we do.

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