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Agreed good points.
All weve seen is Diop rebounding well and guarding Duncan
we were usually first in his power rankings too, even though the mavs had a much better record. maybe those power rankings were on to something, and this year we've been in the 6-8 range I think, I guess no le for us
Agreed good points.
All weve seen is Diop rebounding well and guarding Duncan
we were usually first in his power rankings too, even though the mavs had a much better record. maybe those power rankings were on to something, and this year we've been in the 6-8 range I think, I guess no le for us
Don't sweat it.
Let's also wait to see if this deal is actually consummated before getting too involved in trying to pick up former Mavs.
Kidd traded to Dallas in latest blockbuster deal
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
February 13, 2008
Jason Kidd was so determined to make his way back to the Dallas Mavericks, he has contemplated wearing No. 2 on his jersey to honor a return to where his career started in 1994.
Despite Kidd’s doubts that the Nets and Mavericks would ever come to an agreement, two league sources close to the negotiations said an agreement in principle has been reached on Wednesday. After wavering for weeks, Dallas owner Mark Cuban has sacrificed some of his franchise’s future to chase a championship in the short term. The agreement would send five players, including point guard Devin Harris, and first round picks in 2008 and 2010, for the future Hall of Fame guard.
The two teams are still exchanging insurance information and going through the normal procedures with the league office to finalize the deal.
Kidd, who turns 35 next month, goes to Dallas with an unmistakable mandate: Bring a le for a team and career that are desperately seeking it. As part of the trade, the Mavericks would also send Jerry Stackhouse, Devean George, DeSagna Diop, Maurice Ager and $3 million to New Jersey. Along with Kidd, the Nets send reserve forward Malik Allen to the Mavs.
In a separate deal, the Nets are sending guard Antoine Wright to Dallas for a future second-round pick, one source said.
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For New Jersey, president Rod Thorn brought back the three elements he most wanted for Kidd: a good young player (Harris), expiring contracts (Diop and George) and draft picks. What’s more, the Nets plan to buyout the rest of Stackhouse’s contract. Stackhouse can become an immediate free agent, but must wait 30 days to re-sign with Dallas.
One league source expected Stackhouse to return to the Mavericks.
For the Nets, this clears cap space next season. It will allow them to re-sign forward Nenad Krstic and start rebuilding the franchise after seven straight playoff appearances with Kidd. The Nets are still discussing a Vince Carter-Jermaine O’Neal trade with the Indiana Pacers, but two sources close to those discussions placed odds below 50 percent. According to one source, the Nets have gone so far as talking to O’Neal’s doctors in Indiana about the state of his troubled knee.
Despite Cuban’s public dismissals, the talks between the two teams were restarted on Sunday when the Mavericks lost to the Nets in New Jersey. After watching the Lakers and Suns make moves for Pau Gasol and Shaquille O’Neal, the Mavericks could no longer sit on the sidelines. There was an element of toughness and leadership that had been missing in Dallas, and team officials believe Kidd transforms them. Immediately, this trade solidifies the Mavericks, who are 34-17 and holding the third spot in the Western Conference playoff, as a serious championship contender.
When motivated, Kidd can still play the point-guard position at the highest level. He desperately wanted this trade and Nets officials knew that they could no longer function as a franchise until they honored his wishes.
Adrian Wojnarowski is the NBA columnist for Yahoo! Sports. Send Adrian a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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It looks pretty official, CBS and alot of other people are saying its done done.
Have you watched what Pop does to people like Elson, Bonner, Barry, Udoka... He'll bench a guy in a heartbeat for looking a someone funny...
I have a feeling Ghost is just trying to stir people up and its working. Anyway, I think this deal does give Dallas some much needed mental toughness, but I don't think this helps them get a championship. I may be wrong, but they traded away three players who have been known to give the Spurs a hard time. That would be Diop, Harris, and Stack. Stack can get hot and when he does, he's hard to cool down.
I keep looking at this trade and I still am flattened by it. If this had gone down in the offseason I could understand it. You clear out some guys who struggled against the Warriors, pick up a couple of tweeners that might help you adjust to small ball teams, and get a floor general who might have been able to right that sinking ship instead of the Mavs looking s shocked for half the series. But now, with the west stacked with speedy PGs, and dominant big men?
Having come close enough to have people say its a done deal makes it difficult to pull away, but there were reports a few years ago that ARod to the Red Sox was a done deal, too.
I have to say that if the deal is consummated today, it might actually provide an additional benefit to the Spurs, as the Mavericks would be seriously depleted for a home game tonight against Portland (and likely for their game on Thursday against the Suns). A couple of losses during this transition would be helpful in the standings.
They've tied em back up thanks to the win in Toronto and their loss in Philadelphia i believe.
Please tell me you did not add up the averages of the other players.
And that T Park the ESPN analyst did not endorse that backwoods logic.
Spurs will try to sign Stackhouse
I know. But if the Spurs lose tonight, a Dallas loss would be helpful to maintain that tie and if the Spurs win and Dallas drops a couple, the cushion would be nice -- especially to have regained some cushion against them with Parker down.
what's wrong with that?
FYI, at the end of each game, the points or all teamates are added up
Hey don't forget about Anotine Wright. The Mavs can def use that guy too.
It's a good trad for the Mavs only if they win it all in the next 3 years. AFter that Kidd will be washed up.
Of course, Dallas has been playing without Harris and Stackhouse for a little while now, so it's not a foregone conclusion that they would lose either of their upcoming games.
you got me
foolish little me thought points and rebounds and production in general was important to basketball, please enlighten me as to how all of that pales in comparison to triple doubles and name recognition
Stack is still hurt right now...he'll be back after 30 days.
Diop is in AJ's doghouse.
Harris is hurt/fragile.
Ager is nothing.
George is a role player.
Two 1st rounders too? Damn.
Not that bad of a trade if Stack is back in a month...
Haha, I think were agreeing Im as usual, not expressing my self clearly and correctly. I apologize.
For matching up against everyone else? Sure.
Against the Spurs? Not so much.
Also, whos gonna guard Shaq, Dampier? Then who?
Bass?
Easy.
foolish little me thought points and rebounds and production in general was important to basketball, please enlighten me as to how all of that pales in comparison to triple doubles and name recognition
You use one player named Kidd to do what 3-5 scrubs can do.
Wait.
It gets better.
The Mavs can try to make up for the stunning production of guys like Diop and George with the remainder of their bench.
Kidd is an All-Star.
If anyone thinks this trade eliminates Dallas as a contender, you're not very intelligent. That would still be their core of Terry, Nowitzki, and Howard, along with Kidd. Yes, the players they are giving up cause some problems for the Spurs so that would be a good thing. But their big three will still perform like they always do against us, and any other team.
I also think it would be interesting for the Spurs to try and get Diop away from the Nets...exchange some expiring contracts maybe, who knows.
It's a fallacy to just add them up because Kidd is not going to be playing all their minutes. Kidd's production will replace Harris's (less points, slightly more assists, more rebounds), and someone else will fill the empty minutes created by the departure of Stackhouse, Diop, etc.
foolish little me thought points and rebounds and production in general was important to basketball, please enlighten me as to how all of that pales in comparison to triple doubles and name recognition
Figure out who the production of whoever takes the other places and add that to Kidd's, then you can add up all those and compare those totals, but you can't compare across positions like that.
So you don't think losing Diop who guarded Duncan well, and Harris who caused problems AND was a good defender, doesn't help the Spurs? A slower PG that can't shoot jumpers will fix them?
I see.
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