Spurs trade ideas

[LeBowen]

Matching salaries needed would have to be Dev+ one of KJ or Barnes or KJ Barnes and Sochan. Hard doing a KD deal without nuking this years roster. A deal requires about 40M in outbound salary.

I don't see long-term future for Devin as a starter, I don't want to see Castle pushed to SF.
I'd offer them Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.

So they just stay on the treadmill as a fringe team despite Trae playing his best ball ever and getting breakouts from all the guys they hoped as they get more expensive and cant really improve their team once Trae signs yet another max extension?

A lot of owners are happy to have entertaining first round exit teams as long as it sells tickets and doesn't cost any luxury tax money.

[scott]

scott ‘s metric where it shows whenever keldon scores more than 20 we have a high win rate is a huge indicator tbh. All we need from him is consistency and he might be play a big role in our success

That's not quite the metric. It's not when Keldon scores more than 20, it's when Keldon has a Game Score more than 20 (which is rare for him, and for his role). I'd invite you to revisit that thread, because I don't think it says what you think it says.

[Kevin]

I don't see long-term future for Devin as a starter, I don't want to see Castle pushed to SF.
I'd offer them Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.



A lot of owners are happy to have entertaining first round exit teams as long as it sells tickets and doesn't cost any luxury tax money.

If that’s all takes sign me up! I would think it would cost more and the Suns would prefer Barnes over KJ since his contract is one year shorter.

[LeBowen]

If that’s all takes sign me up! I would think it would cost more and the Suns would prefer Barnes over KJ since his contract is one year shorter.

Fine by me.

[Charania] The Golden State Warriors have called the Philadelphia 76ers about a Paul George trade.

Post-Steph Warriors are going to be worse than post-MJ Bulls, someone take the keys away.
If I was Morey, I'd accept just a salary match to get rid of the worst contract in the league.

[DPG21920]

What could they possibly offer that would get their picks back? I can't see anything they have worth those picks unless they can orchestrate a massive 3 team deal with an alpha coming here and i don't see any alphas on the market.

What if they traded Trae to HOU for say Jabari Smith (and other salaries) + 2027 first round draft pick from Brooklyn (swap, Houston outgoing) + 2027 first round draft pick from Phoenix + 2029 first round draft pick from Dallas and / or Phoenix (two most favorable of these and Houston, Houston outgoing to Brooklyn)

And those picks get re-routed to SA for ATL 25, ATL 26 swap and ATL 27?

So spurs give up ATL 25, 26 swap and ATL 27 and get: Best of 27 pick from HOU or BKY (replaces the 27 pick from ATL), 2027 PHX (replaces 25 ATL), and 2029 firsts from 2 of HOU, Dallas or PHX

[montgod]

It depends on the price.
KD will keep hooping until they carry him off the floor in a body bag.
I'd say 3 more seasons after this one.

He'd be a great addition, but Suns will be asking for everything the Spurs FO saved for the immediate and distant future to be successful (eg ATL picks, future 1st rd swaps, etc) especially understanding what they gave up to get KD. Still silly to me why they didn't trade him last year, but owner is trying to save face so I get it.

[scott]

I posted this on X but wanted to post here too. I really do wonder what, if anything we see from ATL here this deadline:

I wonder what ATL is going to do. They lost Jalen for season, they are floundering as a fringe PO team even in the weak East despite Trae playing his best, Jalen breaking out, Hunter breaking out, Dyson breaking out…..

Will they be buyers and try to keep eeking into playoffs? Are they going to give up what little draft picks they do have to make that push knowing Trae is due a massive extension too and they wont be able to improve team much with no picks and lots of salary on the books?

Or will they be a surprise seller and try to get their picks back from SA or at least get other picks to stock up with?

Very interesting situation there for obvious reasons.

Just one note: the Hawks have plenty of draft picks, they just don't have their own in 25, 26 (swap) or 27.

Hawks upcoming picks:

2025: SAC (Protected 1-12), LAL
2026: SAC (Protected 1-10 if not already conveyed), worst of SA/ATL
2027: MIL
Then they have all of their own picks after that. The also have a bevy of incoming SRPs

[mo7888]

I don't see long-term future for Devin as a starter, I don't want to see Castle pushed to SF.
I'd offer them Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.



A lot of owners are happy to have entertaining first round exit teams as long as it sells tickets and doesn't cost any luxury tax money.

I'm doing that KD deal and I'd expect us to compete in the West this year.

[LeBowen]

He'd be a great addition, but Suns will be asking for everything the Spurs FO saved for the immediate and distant future to be successful (eg ATL picks, future 1st rd swaps, etc) especially understanding what they gave up to get KD. Still silly to me why they didn't trade him last year, but owner is trying to save face so I get it.

KD will inevitably ask out after they fail this season, they can't expect to get much in return for an unhappy 37 year old on an expiring contract, even if it's KD.
I just don't see how Suns get out of this awful situation without trading Booker to Houston to get their picks back.

[baseline bum]

With Fox in hand now I'm ready to just wait to see what those 2025 picks are unless something major comes out of nowhere like Luka to LA (obviously not that big, as Denver's not trading us Jokic or something )

[scott]

they dont really have anything i'd give their picks for. the piece to do that for was hypothetically Young but we just landed Fox. they're not going to move Jalen Johnson. would you give them their 2027 for Risacher? would they even want to do that?

Honestly, I think Hunter is a guy who really fits what we need. With that said, I'm happy with standing pat for now other than seeing what we can do at backup C... unless some great opportunity for a consolidation trade appears. I like Hunter a lot and think he's the right archetype, but I'm not too excited to spend anymore FRPs, and I'd rather just have ATL25.

[DPG21920]

Just one note: the Hawks have plenty of draft picks, they just don't have their own in 25, 26 (swap) or 27.

Hawks upcoming picks:

2025: SAC (Protected 1-12), LAL
2026: SAC (Protected 1-10 if not already conveyed), worst of SA/ATL
2027: MIL
Then they have all of their own picks after that. The also have a bevy of incoming SRPs

That’s not that much IMO esp since SAC is making win now moves and that pick and lakers pick wont be lottery. It’s not nothing, but I wouldn’t say a lot. But it’s more about controlling own future etc..and how can they improve when as is they are a fringe PO team and they are about to get a lot more expensive when Trae signs his extension? Will Trae force his way out since he wants to win? What then?

[mo7888]

What if they traded Trae to HOU for say Jabari Smith (and other salaries) + 2027 first round draft pick from Brooklyn (swap, Houston outgoing) + 2027 first round draft pick from Phoenix + 2029 first round draft pick from Dallas and / or Phoenix (two most favorable of these and Houston, Houston outgoing to Brooklyn)

And those picks get re-routed to SA for ATL 25, ATL 26 swap and ATL 27?

So spurs give up ATL 25, 26 swap and ATL 27 and get: Best of 27 pick from HOU or BKY (replaces the 27 pick from ATL), 2027 PHX (replaces 25 ATL), and 2029 firsts from 2 of HOU, Dallas or PHX

If we could send Sochan to Atl and get back Smith then I'd be down for that easily.

[Ice009]

Sam Vecenie had:

SAS: Fox
SAC: Levine + SAS picks
CHI: Huerter; Spurs filler + return CHI pick

Darn, this guy nailed it/called it spot on a few days ago.

[DPG21920]

Im just pointing out that there may be ways for SA to get ATL their picks back IF ATL sees writing on wall regarding Trae not re-signing with them since they cant win with him and everyone of their players breaking out best case scenario.

Imagine that. You have Trae playing great and every single player you need to breakout does and you still are 9th/10th in East???

[baseline bum]

I don't see long-term future for Devin as a starter, I don't want to see Castle pushed to SF.
I'd offer them Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.

KD for Vassell and a first that'll be 14±3 sounds nuts, especially when they're killing themselves to get Butler. I'd be willing to throw in the 2030 with DAL+MIN pick swap to get KD though.

[scott]

That’s not that much IMO esp since SAC is making win now moves and that pick and lakers pick wont be lottery. It’s not nothing, but I wouldn’t say a lot. But it’s more about controlling own future etc..and how can they improve when as is they are a fringe PO team and they are about to get a lot more expensive when Trae signs his extension? Will Trae force his way out since he wants to win? What then?

Well, you said they "have no picks", when in fact they have more than if they just had their own. The point is, ATL has the capability to improve their team without getting their own picks back - so they are unlikely to be in a situation where they are desperate to get them back (like PHX will be very shortly).

[CGD]

If we could send Sochan to Atl and get back Smith then I'd be down for that easily.

Smith would be perfect in SA. Have long wanted him here. I’d also be happy trading up to get Ace Bailey who has a similar profile.

[LeBowen]

With Fox in hand now I'm ready to just wait to see what those 2025 picks are unless something major comes out of nowhere like Luka to LA (obviously not that big, as Denver's not trading us Jokic or something )

I wouldn't trade either before the draft, but the only players I'd surely draft are Flagg or Bailey.
If we don't get lucky yet again by some miracle, those picks should be shopped around to see which high end starters are available, unless PATFO really likes someone in the draft.

[montgod]

KD will inevitably ask out after they fail this season, they can't expect to get much in return for an unhappy 37 year old on an expiring contract, even if it's KD.
I just don't see how Suns get out of this awful situation without trading Booker to Houston to get their picks back.

Good points, but if they are successful in getting Butler, the viewpoint may change since owner would have really put himself "all in" for the next several years. Obviously, KD can be vocal and change the perspective though.

Your trade offer: Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.
I'd definitely be okay with that, I just don't see the Suns being interested in Devin/Keldon. And as stated above, if Butler comes aboard, I don't see much movement at all with Suns and they'll try their hand w/the new 3 for a few years before blowing it up.

[scott]

There is almost no scenario where I'm trading the ATL25 pick at this point. We got Fox while preserving that, which is a major ing coup. Against ATL's best efforts, that "golden ticket" is trending to exactly where we only could have hoped in our wildest dreams. Don't it up now because we got a huge trade W under our belt.

This is going to come as a shock coming from me... but now is the time for some patience, mijitos.

[mo7888]

KD for Vassell and a first that'll be 14±3 sounds nuts, especially when they're killing themselves to get Butler. I'd be willing to throw in the 2030 with DAL+MIN pick swap to get KD though.

Yea, Phoenix would have to pivot based on Beal not dropping his no trade clause. I wouldn't give more than our lesser pick this year though.

[scott]

Good points, but if they are successful in getting Butler, the viewpoint may change since owner would have really put himself "all in" for the next several years. Obviously, KD can be vocal and change the perspective though.

Your trade offer: Devin+Keldon+worse of '25 SAS/ATL and a handful of SRPs.
I'd definitely be okay with that, I just don't see the Suns being interested in Devin/Keldon. And as stated above, if Butler comes aboard, I don't see much movement at all with Suns and they'll try their hand w/the new 3 for a few years before blowing it up.

The move would be what I posted a few pages back... Butler to PHX, Durant to SA, Devin and Keldon to Miami. Both Miami and PHX would need draft compensation obviously. It's fun to think about it, but I'm staying away

[stephen jackson]

now we just need a few snipers

[mo7888]

The move would be what I posted a few pages back... Butler to PHX, Durant to SA, Devin and Keldon to Miami. Both Miami and PHX would need draft compensation obviously. It's fun to think about it, but I'm staying away

I wouldn't give draft compensation past our lesser pick this year and maybe a couple 2nd's. Miami gets two 2nd's and Phoenix gets our 1st this year.