Official Hurricane Katrina Thread

[MannyIsGod]

I'm sorry to interrumpt the flaming war, but I have a question, it would be nice if someone could answer it. Are the levees still broken? Any plan to repair them has been abandoned?

This could get worse if the people that is still in the city isn't evacuated before it rains, imagine what could happen if heavy rains fall on the city with the broken levees, the water could raise even more, sinking the roofs were peple are taking shelter.

Good luck to them, I hope they can get out alive.

I really don't think any rain is going to make the water come up anymore. The lake size is so large that it would have to rain an enourmous amount. Rain at this point really is the least of the worries.

As far as I know, the floodwall to the canal has not been fixed yet. Even when it is fixed, it will be weeks if not months before the water is all pumped out.

[Jelly]

Why would you just assume that the other states aren't helping? I saw a feature on the news yesterday that showed what ordinary citizens all over the country were doing. They showed truckers loading up in Minnesota with supplies their city donated, and similar activity in Kentucky, Oregon, Utah, New York, Vermont. All people getting ready to make a long haul down south with truck loads of supplies. This is just something I saw on TV, but even if I hadn't I would never doubt that this is going on. If you really felt that no state other than Texas was doing anything, you should have googled to double check your facts before blowing up about it.

As far as the Federal Government, I can't really argue with you.

[Duff McCartney]

It's official...New Orleans is full of total bags.

[T Park]

re the levees still broken?

from what I last hear, havent had an update lately.

They are, but they are supposedly still dumping sandbags at it.

Dont know if thats true still.

[MannyIsGod]

agreed and I do.

Im critical of the situation these people at the NO convention center are in.

Im critical of the situation the people STILL IN NO are in.

Ok, and thats fair. Don't react to everyone in such a knee jerk manner. You take things on here personal sometimes and people don't even intended them in that manner.

[MannyIsGod]

The Astrodome is full. A fire marshall for the state says they can't put anymore people in there.

[T Park]

Why would you just assume that the other states aren't helping

I meant helping, in taking in refugees, not giving money and such,

I apologize if that was what was assumed.

[MannyIsGod]

I'd imagine that people are going to be directed in our way pretty soon.

[T Park]

Don't react to everyone in such a knee jerk manner. You take things on here personal sometimes and people don't even intended them in that manner.

Sorry if I do.

But i feel absolutely devastated for the people in NO, and anything I hear that to ME, sounds a little wrong, or an excuse for not helping these people out quickly.

[timvp]

I think I am going to agree with T Park. How long has it been known what would happen if NO got hit with a major hurricane? Years. How long has it been known that a major hurricane was on it's way to NO? At least a week, IIRC.

Things there are seemingly running in slooooooooow motion. People are starving. People are still trapped in attics and on top of roofs. There is little order from what we see. It's a mess.

To me it looks like there is a lack of leadership. I realize it is a daunting task, but damn. The hurricane hit on Sunday and here we are going into Friday and people are still waiting to get rescued and waiting to eat for the first time.

Everyone knew this was going to happen at some point in time. Plans were supposedly in order. What I've seen looks more like chaos than any type of planning.

It's beyond sad at this point. They tell people to go to the Superdome ... but oops it's full now. Time to move them. Go to the Astrodome ... oops that's full too. WTF is going on?

The longer this drags out, the more pissed the people of New Orleans are going to be, the more dangerous the whole situation becomes and the more people who are going to die.

Props, America.

[TheWriter]

It's the samething with California, how many times do they have to be told about the "big one" before one day they're jogging down the beach and bam... half of Cali is gone.

[T Park]

Agree 1000% TIMVP.

If this is what we get out of all the billions spent on homeland security??

I feel an impeachment hearing should come up.

[Kori Ellis]

That might all be true, but you know what? Whatever s up happened along the way, it's time for everyone to just shutup, step up, pull together and help these people. Government and citizens alike.

You don't have money to give? Collect the change around your house and give that - $5 feeds someone. Don't have $5? Go to your closet and find five items of clothing that you haven't worn in six months. You know you have them, everybody does. Put them in a bag and bring them to a donation center. Don't have clothes to give? Everybody has an hour of their time. Get to the food bank, the clinic, whatever.

Help.

Bottom line is that this is not a time for bickering over details and pointing fingers, it's time to band together as Americans and help OUR people who are starving, homeless, sick, and devastated.

Wake up tomorrow and do something. ing in this thread is cool and all, but it doesn't get a damn thing done.

[MannyIsGod]

LJ, I think we all agree with that. They're ing up big time. You can pull up a post of mine in the "Hey Manny" thread and you see that it was days before that it was clear it was headed to NO.

[j-6]

Reliant is bigger than the Astrodome, if I recall. What's happening there? What's going on in the Toyota Center? I think at this point (especially if they were only able to fit 7K in the Astrodome), if the officials in Houston pledged to house 25K refugees and the Dome isn't going to deliver, you better open up some other venues.

[timvp]

What amazes me is this isn't even as bad as it could have been. The freakin' hurricane missed and the part that hit the city was pretty weak. And still we have this much disorder and this much confusion? Doesn't make sense to me.

By Tuesday afternoon there should have been a carivan of busses, ships, helicopters, planes, WTF you can find to get the people out of there. How damn hard is it evacuate a city? Surely can't be a one week long process.

Horrible.

[Ginofan]

That might all be true, but you know what? Whatever s up happened along the way, it's time for everyone to just shutup, step up, pull together and help these people. Government and citizens alike.

You don't have money to give? Collect the change around your house and give that - $5 feeds someone. Don't have $5? Go to your closet and find five items of clothing that you haven't worn in six months. You know you have them, everybody does. Put them in a bag and bring them to a donation center. Don't have clothes to give? Everybody has an hour of their time. Get to the food bank, the clinic, whatever.

Help.

Bottom line is that this is not a time for bickering over details and pointing fingers, it's time to band together as Americans and help OUR people who are starving, homeless, sick, and devastated.

Wake up tomorrow and do something. ing in this thread is cool and all, but it doesn't get a damn thing done.

Great post Here's a list of few places taking donations, including food and clothing.

[MannyIsGod]

The Astrodome wasn't going to hold 25,000 people. No way. It is big, but that is just too many. They have other places in Houston set up, and I'm sure we'll be getting people here before long.

I think that "renegade" busses showed up at the Astrodome that weren't officialy dispatched from NO and that threw off the count. Yes, it is another bump in the road but the important part is that these people are out of NO and are in a place where they can get help, food, water, and general supplies. It sucks, but it could be much worse for them.

[Vashner]

CNN says Houston full... here come the Busses.....

[Ginofan]

What amazes me is this isn't even as bad as it could have been. The freakin' hurricane missed and the part that hit the city was pretty weak. And still we have this much disorder and this much confusion? Doesn't make sense to me.

By Tuesday afternoon there should have been a carivan of busses, ships, helicopters, planes, WTF you can find to get the people out of there. How damn hard is it evacuate a city? Surely can't be a one week long process.

Horrible.

IMO, we wouldn't have to be evacuating anyone out of N.O. if it had been a direct hit. There would be nothing left.

[timvp]

That might all be true, but you know what? Whatever s up happened along the way, it's time for everyone to just shutup, step up, pull together and help these people. Government and citizens alike.

You don't have money to give? Collect the change around your house and give that - $5 feeds someone. Don't have $5? Go to your closet and find five items of clothing that you haven't worn in six months. You know you have them, everybody does. Put them in a bag and bring them to a donation center. Don't have clothes to give? Everybody has an hour of their time. Get to the food bank, the clinic, whatever.

Help.

Bottom line is that this is not a time for bickering over details and pointing fingers, it's time to band together as Americans and help OUR people who are starving, homeless, sick, and devastated.

Wake up tomorrow and do something. ing in this thread is cool and all, but it doesn't get a damn thing done.

True, but for the people in New Orleans there really isn't much to do. The Red Cross is barely operating within the city, so donating money to them does nothing for those people. It's impossible to go into the city and volunteer there.

Volunteering in Houston or San Antonio is commendable, but that's the easy part. Those people are already taken out of the that is New Orleans. They'll get back on their feet eventually.

What I'm pissed off about are the peeps still in their attics or still soaking wet in the street, starving and the whole "evacuation" plan just one big clusterfvck.

[Jelly]

I meant helping, in taking in refugees, not giving money and such,

I apologize if that was what was assumed.

I'm sure they would take in refugees if they were closer. The next big city that can accomodate these people is Houston, then SA and Dallas. I don't think we need to be bussing these poor people to Idaho or Montana right now, do you? Kind of a long drive for an exhausted, miserable, wretched hungry bunch of people who haven't bathed in 4 days.

ps. thanks for your civil post. I guess Manny's words really got to you.

Manny, you should open a charm school.

[TheWriter]

I'm sure we'll be getting people here before long.

25,000 as of earlier today. Maybe more now.

[timvp]

IMO, we wouldn't have to be evacuating anyone out of N.O. if it had been a direct hit. There would be nothing left.

Fair enough.

However, there would still be SOME survivors. The water could only get so deep in certain places.

But yeah, if there was a direct hit and this type of weak ass recovery effort, everyone would be dead.

[MannyIsGod]

Ted Coppel is grilling the guy on nightline