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    At least Kersey for Rahim was entertaining and would have improved the Spurs.

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    So let's narrow down the list. It's not hard, actually. Boston has a full roster, L.A. has little chance of meaningful playing time, and the Cavs would be off the list too once they added Smith.
    That takes us to the league's second tier of contenders, which looks roughly like: San Antonio, Orlando, Houston, Utah and perhaps Denver.
    Of those, we can safely eliminate Utah (which simply has no need for another power forward) and probably Houston too (it has several decent big men and is up against the luxury-tax line).
    There's a good chance that money knocks out two other teams. Orlando is a possibility given its paucity of frontcourt reserves and Gooden's previous history there, but I'm not sure how seriously people take the Magic's chances of contending since Jameer Nelson went out. At any rate, the Magic have used their midlevel and biannual exceptions this summer so they can offer him only the veteran's minimum.
    Denver offers similar pros and cons for Gooden. The Nuggets have a thin frontcourt where he'd almost certainly earn minutes, but are pinned against the tax line, making it unlikely they could offer more than the minimum.
    Do the math and one destination emerges as the most likely: San Antonio. The Spurs can give him a piece of their midlevel exception (about $1.5 million through the end of the season), a realistic path to a conference finals appearance at the least, and a chance to earn big chunks of minutes (Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto have been found wanting all season).
    The only problem, it seems, is saying it out loud: Drew Gooden on the Spurs? Really? The guy who's known for mental errors and has a medusa beard, signing on with the league's must buttoned-down, no-nonsense outfit?
    But the logic on every other level is too strong to dismiss it. The Spurs have done this dance before, remember -- think of Cap'n Jack in 2003 -- and no matter what it will be only the second-most eyebrow-raising waiver pickup this winter (take a bow, Starbury).
    And in this case, the Last Chance Saloon metaphor couldn't be more fitting. For a San Antonio team trying to squeeze one more le before what will likely be a wholesale restructuring around the Duncan-Parker nucleus in 2010, there's really not much choice -- they need to belly up to the bar and drink whatever's on tap, so to speak, because this is the only way to match up in the playoffs with the L.A.s and Utahs of the West.

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    So let's narrow down the list. It's not hard, actually. Boston has a full roster, L.A. has little chance of meaningful playing time, and the Cavs would be off the list too once they added Smith.
    That takes us to the league's second tier of contenders, which looks roughly like: San Antonio, Orlando, Houston, Utah and perhaps Denver.
    Of those, we can safely eliminate Utah (which simply has no need for another power forward) and probably Houston too (it has several decent big men and is up against the luxury-tax line).
    There's a good chance that money knocks out two other teams. Orlando is a possibility given its paucity of frontcourt reserves and Gooden's previous history there, but I'm not sure how seriously people take the Magic's chances of contending since Jameer Nelson went out. At any rate, the Magic have used their midlevel and biannual exceptions this summer so they can offer him only the veteran's minimum.
    Denver offers similar pros and cons for Gooden. The Nuggets have a thin frontcourt where he'd almost certainly earn minutes, but are pinned against the tax line, making it unlikely they could offer more than the minimum.
    Do the math and one destination emerges as the most likely: San Antonio. The Spurs can give him a piece of their midlevel exception (about $1.5 million through the end of the season), a realistic path to a conference finals appearance at the least, and a chance to earn big chunks of minutes (Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto have been found wanting all season).
    The only problem, it seems, is saying it out loud: Drew Gooden on the Spurs? Really? The guy who's known for mental errors and has a medusa beard, signing on with the league's must buttoned-down, no-nonsense outfit?
    But the logic on every other level is too strong to dismiss it. The Spurs have done this dance before, remember -- think of Cap'n Jack in 2003 -- and no matter what it will be only the second-most eyebrow-raising waiver pickup this winter (take a bow, Starbury).
    And in this case, the Last Chance Saloon metaphor couldn't be more fitting. For a San Antonio team trying to squeeze one more le before what will likely be a wholesale restructuring around the Duncan-Parker nucleus in 2010, there's really not much choice -- they need to belly up to the bar and drink whatever's on tap, so to speak, because this is the only way to match up in the playoffs with the L.A.s and Utahs of the West.

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    please even if we dont get gooden, lets waive udoka anyways..he made 2 jumpers last night, and thats about all i can remember about him all season..

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    PLEASE sign Gooden.

    Would he seriously be worse than Fabs has been playing?

    How can you pass on a guy like this? Even if he doesn't start for us, he could provide us with some great minutes off the bench.

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    Lets compare the two spurs teams: If im wrong anyone please feel free to highlight and correct me

    Spurs 07 vs. Spurs 09

    Spurs 07 Spurs 09
    Duncan < Duncan
    Elson < Thomas
    Manu = Manu
    Parker = Parker
    Barry < Mason
    Finley < Finley
    Vaughn < Hill
    Horry = Bonner
    Oberto > Oberto
    Beno = Vaughn
    Bonner = Udoka
    Ely = Pops/Tolliver


    In my opinion This Spurs team is more talented than the 07' team. And yes replacing Elson for Thomas made us better even last year. We just weren't as healthy as we were in 07 plus other contenders made significant upgrades.
    Lakers 2009 >>> Lakers 2007
    Cavs 2009 >>> Cavs 2007
    Celtics 2009 >>>>>> Celtics 2007

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    Jeff MacDonald will get put together two sentences I don't take a huge wh!z on before anyone will get away with typing a single positive letter about Elson on my watch. Elson must pay for what he did! No one owns timvp like that on his own board! No one!

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    I don't like the idea of Gooden starting at all. I view him as someone to give the Spurs some offense and rebounding when Tim goes to bench, and as 'no Finey @ the PF' insurance. I think this team is much better off with Bonner spreading the floor or Thomas playing post D in our starting lineup, based on the matchup. I wouldn't trust Gooden to guard NBA first units and I certainly don't want to see Tim Duncan in foul trouble trying to cover Gooden's mistakes.
    Eh, I just can't agree. Bonner's ability to spread the floor is helpful for whoever he's on the court with. Same with Thomas' defense and rebound. Gooden, on the other hand, needs for his defense to be covered up and to get into a game flow.

    He reminds me somewhat of Nazr in that he's not a player that's going to find his own flow. If he's in your rotation, you better start him and force feed production out of him. And then get him out of the game once the fourth quarter arrives.

    Bench players need to be smart, especially in the Spurs system in which Pop doesn't have a set rotation. Expecting Gooden to pick up exactly what is needed from off the bench after the flow and tempo has been set is asking too much.

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    Who is Jeff MacDonald and what is whottt talking about?

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    Whott: what do you think is the best option then?
    Is the 12th man on the Spurs better than Gooden?

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    At this point, the Spurs have about six hours (9 PM Pacific time) to add a player who will be eligible for the playoffs. Gooden rebounds, he's experienced, and he has size. Sure, his defense is poor, but so is Bonner's. If nothing else, Gooden could sub in for Bonner 12 mpg. He's a good free throw shooter, which could be helpful at the end of games when opposing teams are looking to foul. The question isn't whether or not he's perfect or if he's an all-star. The only question we should be asking is: Is obtaining Gooden for practically nothing, with no contractual obligation beyond this season, better than doing nothing? I just don't see how anyone couldn't answer yes to that question.
    Last edited by Tully365; 03-03-2009 at 02:16 AM.

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    At this point, the Spurs have about six hours (9 PM Pacific time) to add a player who will be eligible for the playoffs.
    Why are they limited to the next six hours? I'm pretty sure they can sign a player up until the end of the season and still have that player eligible for the playoff roster - as long as the player wasn't on another team's roster as of last night. Those that were bought out last night won't even clear waivers until Wednesday.

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    Does anyone know the latest on Gooden's health?

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    Gooden is just a jumpshooter who plays under the rim and isn't really a better rebounder than Thomas. Check out the per 40 rebounding numbers last year when KT was in Seattle, better than Gooden in either Cleveland or Chicago.

    The only difference between the two is that KT plays defense, Gooden doesn't. Neither gets out on fast breaks for dunks, neither is a shotblocker. And KT isn't young enough to play 30 minutes a game every night.

    And yes, Gooden is a lot like Nazr without the size or the limited shotblocking skills.

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    Why are they limited to the next six hours? I'm pretty sure they can sign a player up until the end of the season and still have that player eligible for the playoff roster - as long as the player wasn't on another team's roster as of last night. Those that were bought out last night won't even clear waivers until Wednesday.
    Good catch. My mistake.

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    Low risk, High reward


    nuff said

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    One question that I haven't seen answered: is there any suggestion (other than reports from those who are speculating that Gooden makes sense for the Spurs) that the Spurs are actually pursuing Gooden?

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    One question that I haven't seen answered: is there any suggestion (other than reports from those who are speculating that Gooden makes sense for the Spurs) that the Spurs are actually pursuing Gooden?
    Yeah..kinda. I copied and pasted only the parts that matter.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...l_Blazers.html

    By Mike Monroe - Express-News
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    Looking for help: According to one Western Conference executive, the Spurs are one of several championship contenders interested in signing forward Drew Gooden.
    Gooden, acquired on trade deadline day by Sacramento, was released by the Kings on Sunday night, beating the league deadline for eligibility on another team’s playoff roster.
    Gooden, a 6-foot-10 power forward in his seventh season, has had problems with a groin injury this season. He played his first game for the Kings on Feb. 25, when he scored 12 points and had 13 rebounds against Charlotte. But he left the game in the fourth period after aggravating the injury. He did not play in Sacramento’s next two games.

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    Don Harris of WOAI is on ESPN Radio 1250 talking with Chris Duel and Jason Minnix and he said it looks like the Spurs are on tap to sign Gooden on Thursday.

    The Spurs are doing their due diligence about Gooden's injury. Don feels that the Kings might have held him out because they were going to buy him out and the injury isn't as serious right now.

    Also, Don reported that Joe Smith is going to the Cavs and Stromile Swift to the Suns.


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    Yeah..kinda. I copied and pasted only the parts that matter.


    Thanks.

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    Stromile Swift to the Suns is a decent move for the Suns only because they have no one else to fill in.

    Smith to the Cavs was elementary.


    We shall see how Gooden fits in, I have my questions and reservations however.

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    Stromile Swift to the Suns is a decent move for the Suns only because they have no one else to fill in.

    Smith to the Cavs was elementary.


    We shall see how Gooden fits in, I have my questions and reservations however.
    I'm with you, EricB!

    But he is a starter and he can help the Spurs! Also, don't forget the money factor. He wants another contract for next season.

    Pro athletes are always (mostly) motivated about getting more money. Look at Lamar Odom!!


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    I'm with you, EricB!

    But he is a starter and he can help the Spurs! Also, don't forget the money factor. He wants another contract for next season.

    Pro athletes are always (mostly) motivated about getting more money. Look at Lamar Odom!!

    Contract motivation doesn't improve BB IQ unfortunately.

    It definately can't hurt if he brings the right at ude.

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    Don Harris of WOAI is on ESPN Radio 1250 talking with Chris Duel and Jason Minnix and he said it looks like the Spurs are on tap to sign Gooden on Thursday.

    The Spurs are doing their due diligence about Gooden's injury. Don feels that the Kings might have held him out because they were going to buy him out and the injury isn't as serious right now.

    Also, Don reported that Joe Smith is going to the Cavs and Stromile Swift to the Suns.


    Pops Kunta-Kinte it is.

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    That 10 day contract is almost up I believe....

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