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If you think that then you're either overrating Dirk or underrating Manu and given that you think that Manu can't lead a team to the playoffs then I would say it's the latter.
Not angry at all, it's just a pretty stupid opinion. If Manu is your best player then you are a lottery team.
If you think that then you're either overrating Dirk or underrating Manu and given that you think that Manu can't lead a team to the playoffs then I would say it's the latter.
Overrating a guy who averages 25/11 in his playoff career, who has been the best player on a 67 win season and who has been the best player on a team that made the finals and beat Ginobili's team on the way. Okay. Could Manu win 67 games as a teams best player?
Since when is basketball an individual sport, I think if you give him the right role players Manu could be the leader of a pretty damn good NBA team.
Swap Manu with Hamilton and the Pistons are the 2005 NBA champions.
Honest question, if you could build a team around Manu at his peak or Dirk at his peak, would you pick Manu?
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And I wouldn't say about that horrible game 4.
Imho the reason for his poor fg% in this series was his 3pt shooting.Dude couldn't hit a 3;he was 5/24 from beyond the arc in the finals.
Dirk missed the free throw to tie in the Game 3 and that's where he really choked.
It's a ing shame that noone remembers that he made clutch play after clutch play in the Game 5.It wasn't Dirk's fault that the refs gave Wade the god treatment nor that J-Ho is a ing dip .
BTW in Game 6 he scored 29 pts(10/22 fg) and he had 15 rebs.
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Just for the record:
Dirk is a 46% shooter in the playoffs/he shot on 39% in the Finals.
Timmy is a 50% shooter in the playoffs/he shot on 41.8% in the Finals against Detroit in 2005.
Howard is a 59% shooter in the playoffs/he shot on 48.8% in the Finals last year.
LeBron's fg percentage against Spurs back in 2007 was 35,5%.
It happens.
That's a hard question 'cause Dirk's prime was longer you also have to consider the role players but yeah back in the days I would've chosen Manu at his prime over Dirk at his prime.
I've said it before buit I don't know if you read it, I'm not arguing that Manu's NBA career is better than Dirk's NBA career. I'm arguing that Manu's basketball career is batter than Dirk's basketball career and that Manu's best is better than Dirk's best. Dirk has proven to be more consistent than Manu.
Swap Robert Horry with air and the Pistons are champs too. What's your point?
That Manu would have won a championship as the best player on his team.
muser= reasonable
DAF86= spurfan from Argentina
badfish22= mavs homer
OK? Anyone can see that Dirk>Manu, besides your Argentinean ass.
I understand that you have liked Manu probably since he started playing ball, but you have taken it to an extreme imho
Plus I gave you credit for calling you a spursfan. You're more of a Manufan tbh.
I liked the last game. After every play dirk had to retuck his jersey because the spurs were hanging on to it for dear life and still couldn't stop him.
A foul is a foul no matter what the "type" of shot is...at least in the rulebook I've read. Style points don't really count.
ben wallace > manu tbh
I agree, he's much bigger.
Chauncey Billups says hi.
tbh swapping Manu for Rip would KILL the flow of Detroit's offense. Manu can't move without the ball and run through multiple screens, then hit all those quick catch n shoot opportunities the way Rip could. Manu isn't nearly the pure shooter necessary to fill that role, nor does he have the stamina.
Billups wasn't consider (nor he was) a better player than Manu in 2005.
Because obviously Manu is a better point guard than Chauncey, as evidenced by him awesome ball handling against the Mavs in game 1.
Given that this thread has gone completely off track, I would like to use this opportunity to remind people of some important conclusions.
1. Dirk got his fair share in Game 1. There were no calls that he got which were undeserved. There was no proof presented to show otherwise, and in one case of a grievance video evidence was presented by the accused to show that in fact Mason did commit a foul on Dirk. Even FkLA now believes this!
2. There are problems with consistency of calls in the NBA.
3. Some Spurs fans, but especially BRHornet got to learn the concept of "burden of proof". Given his massive ignorance a friendly advice was presented to him, that he should spend more time investing in his education rather than a basketball forum where he contributes nothing, not even good level troll-ness.
4. Most Spurs fans are in fact reasonable. They would not believe such a thing as Manu>Dirk. Of course there's always a black sheep in the family for any issue.
Manu's a career 16 ppg third-wheel guy. That puts him around Ricky Pierce/Cazzie Russell/Richard Dumas territory. Maybe one of the better third wheels of recent memory.
Really it says it implicitly? I figured it was implied similar to how to its implied that playoff basketball should be more physical. Link please if you dont mind. Regardless though I doubt it includes body checks.
Wait, so youre defense for that foul call is that the defenders hands need to be straight up in a 90 degree angle and anything less is a foul because they would be invading Dirk's space? That seems pretty ridiculous for a jump shot, I mean given that logic if a guy blocks a shot before the player releases the ball wouldnt that be a foul? Since its practically impossible to block a shot before its out of the players hand standing at a 90 degree angle unless the player jumps straight into your outstretched hands. Correct me if Im wrong but that hand straight up thing only applies in the paint when a player is attacking the basket or if the defender is set with both his feet planted. You wouldve been better off arguing the body check tbh, although upon further review Dirk himself bumps into him so even that argument wouldnt hold much truth. And if we really want to be rulebook nazis Dirk's pushoff to create space is in actuality an offensive foul.
Regarding Manu vs Dirk...its Dirk but its a lot closer than alot of you Mavette fans claim.
I mean on the one hand you guys penalize Manu for having talent around him (GOAT PF+great scoring PG) yet on the other hand you expect him to put up godly numbers and all-league recognitions like Dirk who's a #1 option? You idiots cant have it both ways. That same talent that you guys penalize him means less touches, which in turn means less stats. Not to mention the fact that he accepted a 6th man role, after his 2005 playoff run and after winning Gold in 2004 nonetheless, for the betterment of the team. How many players of his caliber would be willing to do that? That is something he should be given props for not penalized. Every time he has been given big minutes and a big role he has performed, so it has little to do with his ability.
Also what exactly drives some of you morons to suggest that a team with him as the #1 guy would be a lottery team...is it his performance in 2004 where he led an Argentinian team that had NBA players but certainly wasnt the most talentled in the compe ion to gold? Is it his les he got in Europe as a #1 guy? Is it this late run this year where the Spurs completely turned their season around when he was given the reins? He and his teams have been fairly successful each and every time that he has been the guy so wtf makes some of you idiots think a prime Manu wouldnt be able to carry a team? Give him a solid #2 post prescence along with solid role players just like Kobe, Wade, and any great guard short of MJ have had and his team would be compe ive. Whether that team would win a le is arguable, but than again when has Dirk ever won a le.
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