Kidd, Armstrong, Malik Allen, for Devin Harris, Stackhouse,Diop, Ager and George

[vander]

Easy.

You use one player named Kidd to do what 3-5 scrubs can do.

Wait.

It gets better.

The Mavs can try to make up for the stunning production of guys like Diop and George with the remainder of their bench.

Kidd is an All-Star.

so you are operating under the assumption that Kidd is going to severely up his game once he gets to Dallas? cause I don't see how 11-10-8 at 36% shooting adds up to the all star addition you are making him out to be

[Ghost Writer]

If anyone thinks this trade eliminates Dallas as a contender, you're not very intelligent. That would still be their core of Terry, Nowitzki, and Howard, along with Kidd. Yes, the players they are giving up cause some problems for the Spurs so that would be a good thing. But their big three will still perform like they always do against us, and any other team.

I also think it would be interesting for the Spurs to try and get Diop away from the Nets...exchange some expiring contracts maybe, who knows.

How about the arrogance of the Spurs here, thinking the Mavericks would make this move with the Spurs in mind.

You are basing your logic for this trade being bad for the Mavs on the 2006 playoffs for krissakes.

Dallas makes this deal to keep pace with the Suns and Lakers.

The Spurs are the invalids hoping there is still a leftover chair when the music stops.

[fyatuk]

If anyone thinks this trade eliminates Dallas as a contender, you're not very intelligent. That would still be their core of Terry, Nowitzki, and Howard, along with Kidd. Yes, the players they are giving up cause some problems for the Spurs so that would be a good thing. But their big three will still perform like they always do against us, and any other team.

I also think it would be interesting for the Spurs to try and get Diop away from the Nets...exchange some expiring contracts maybe, who knows.

This trade in and of itself weakens the Mavs. They gave up a LOT of minutes per game, aka people they use regularly, to get one person back. If they fill in the newly created holes, it could be great for them. Otherwise, they'll be like the Suns and wear themselves out by the time the playoffs come around.

[pad300]

If anyone thinks this trade eliminates Dallas as a contender, you're not very intelligent. That would still be their core of Terry, Nowitzki, and Howard, along with Kidd. Yes, the players they are giving up cause some problems for the Spurs so that would be a good thing. But their big three will still perform like they always do against us, and any other team.

I also think it would be interesting for the Spurs to try and get Diop away from the Nets...exchange some expiring contracts maybe, who knows.

Actually, what does this do to Terry is a pretty good question? Does he become their starting SG? Or are he and Kidd in a minutes crunch? Or does Avery do a bunch of 2 PG sets?

[T Park]

Dallas makes this deal to keep pace with the Suns and Lakers

If thats the case, how come they didn't get a big man to guard Shaq and or Bynum and Gasol?

Question

[ludda]

The mavs had a problem with ball movement and a smart playmaker against tighter defenses. Kidd provides that. It will be interesting to see their O after this.

They lose a lot, but obviously Harris wasn't the floor general they were looking for. Or at least not for this or the next season. I guess they didn't want to wait for Dirk to further decline and Howard is already 27/28.

[Ghost Writer]

so you are operating under the assumption that Kidd is going to severely up his game once he gets to Dallas? cause I don't see how 11-10-8 at 36% shooting adds up to the all star addition you are making him out to be

Where do you find these people, timvp?

Is he serious or just messing around?

Let me put it this way...

Would the Bobcats trade their entire bench for LeBron James, even though the bench produces more stats than James alone?



Next.

[ChumpDumper]

How does Kidd "kill" Harris?

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm surprised that Ghost isn't asking about the effect this has on the All-Star Game.

[T Park]

Where do you find these people, timvp?

Is he serious or just messing around?

Let me put it this way...

Would the Bobcats trade their entire bench for LeBron James, even though the bench produces more stats than James alone?



Next.

For someone that loves stats you love to ignore he shoots 36%

You wanna say how adding a 36% shooter to a team of jump shooters improves them against the Spurs whos main goal defensively is to SHOOT long jumpers?


Or have you totally forgotten how the Spurs play D and fixated your sights on being like Mike D'Antoni.

[T Park]

The mavs had a problem with ball movement and a smart playmaker against tighter defenses. Kidd provides that. It will be interesting to see their O after this.

They lose a lot, but obviously Harris wasn't the floor general they were looking for. Or at least not for this or the next season. I guess they didn't want to wait for Dirk to further decline and Howard is already 27/28.

They fixed that, but now have given up all their advantages against the Spurs.

So they improved going against other teams, but weakened themselves vs the Spurs.

[vander]

Where do you find these people, timvp?

Is he serious or just messing around?

Let me put it this way...

Would the Bobcats trade their entire bench for LeBron James, even though the bench produces more stats than James alone?



Next.

OK so now Kidd is comparable to Lebron James, where is this coming from? why do you think so highly of Kidd? what is he doing right now at the young age of 36 that makes you think he is worth anything?


Edit: if I name drop timvp and end my post with "Next" does that make me more credible?

[Manu's Bald Spot]

I understand to a sense why they did it, but in the end, I'm not sure this trade improves them that much. Jason Kidd is a good player...but this dude CANNOT shoot anymore. Devin Harris was a solid mid ranger shooter and was great at getting to the basket. He was Dallas' version of Tony Parker in a sense. Kidd's passing won't be as big of an upgrade here because he's not that great of pg when it comes to the halfcourt offense, which is what dallas runs most of the time now. Maybe Avery will get Dallas running more, but with that team, not sure if they're a running crew. Also, it's not like Dallas needed his rebounding help, they were a solid rebounding team before this (I know, I'm startin to sound like Hollinger, but you have to admit he brings up some good points in his analysis).

I can see how Jason Kidd can be helpful in defending bigger pgs (i.e. Baron Davis). But Kidd defending Nash/Paul/Parker? I have a very hard time believing that. And once they blow by Kidd, now there isn't Diop to help out in the middle, only Dampier, and in the end he's just a big body in there.

On top of all of that, Dallas JUST signed Devin to an extension as their PG of the future! Now they're gonna mortgage their future for a PG who isn't getting any younger or better?

Obviously I dont' think this is a great trade for dallas, I was personally already scared of them before, but now I feel slightly better that we can beat them. I felt Stackhouse and Harris were both problems for us when we played them, but now we don't have to deal with them anymore. And I can't wait to see if Kidd can guard the quicker pgs of the west. Maybe Dallas wanted a trio of big names like everybody else is doing now. Maybe this trade will help and I'm wrong. But I'm thinking 3 years from now, Dallas might regret this trade.

[Streakyshooter08]

Well, that Stackhouse resigns with Dallas makes it a much better deal for them. It is basically Kidd/ Allen for Harris, Diop, Ager, George... not that bad.

[sabar]

Old Kidd averages more turnovers than Beno and they lose two Spurs killers.
Explain why we should be afraid of this?

And if Dallas doesn't make this move with the Spurs in mind, then we obviously will never meet them and the whole argument is moot. Kidd can post up Parker? Well who cares since we are old and useless and first round exits? </sarcasm>

[Ghost Writer]

An entire bench for Lebron is not comparable to the Dallas guys for Kidd?

Dude, do you know who Kidd is?

Look at some stats.

He is starting for the Eastern All Stars.

Your rationale of adding up stats is ludicrous.

[Radiosparks]

I wouldn't trade Splitter. I would trade Mahinmi and or Elson. This year's draft pick? Probobly. 09's?? I dunno, more than likely yes.

I agree with the exception of draft picks. I would go for one draft pick but not two IMO.

[T Park]

Before this trade I would've said Spurs in 7.

Now I'd say Spurs in 5 or 6. The matchups have flipped that much and flipped THAT MUCH into the Spurs favor.

That being said, it would be nice in the playoffs if they knocked off Phoenix and or LA for us

[T Park]

He is starting for the Eastern All Stars.

So because some myopic idiots on the east coast vote him in you think that means hes still fantastic?


And Im the one you call special olympics?

[T Park]

Kidd can post up Parker?

Good for him.

Hopefully he does and shoots from 15 feet away and clanks it like he has all season since hes a 36% shooter

[vander]

An entire bench for Lebron is not comparable to the Dallas guys for Kidd?

Dude, do you know who Kidd is?

Look at some stats.

He is starting for the Eastern All Stars.

Your rationale of adding up stats is ludicrous.

you just keep asking if people know Who Kidd is, ignoring any fact based arguments, I don't think YOU know who Kidd is. do you know what year this is at least?

[mavsfan1000]

The mavs got raped. It breaks my heart.

[dallaskd]

ESPN, Deal is close.



If the Mavericks trade Harris AND Stackhouse AND Diop, for Kidd?

The Spurs can mark one contender right off the list.

Stackhouse is coming right back to Dallas.

[Ghost Writer]

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jason_kidd/

Learn something.

11, 8 and 10 don't grow on trees.

I mean, he's no Devin Harris, but the ol' man is still pretty good.

If I find some rope, can you look for a tree?

[WalterBenitez]

Is it the weather or what?

Why everyone is coming to the west?

IMHO, Mavs will improve with this trade.