Official Hurricane Katrina Thread

[MannyIsGod]

No, the 17th street levy was really a floodwall and that was being closed by steel plates, concrete and other like that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So the same plan that was to be put into place Monday night ended up working?

WTF did they wait so long?

Not the same plan. The original plan was just the sandbags. This company out of I think they said Houston or maybe it was Baton Rouge came forward with the idea of using the pilings to block off the canal from the lake, drain the water in the canal, then repair the levee.

So they brought in the company, which has been working since Wednesday afternoon on the pilings (they said they have to drive these things 30 ft. into the earth for it to work!), sounds like they're about done with that part, then the city is in effect sealed off from the lake.

[Vashner]

Because moving big equipment takes a lot of logistics. Also the engineers need to study and develop a plan first..

Chill the out already.. Bush bashing is one thing but talking trash about the guys flying choppers and trying to drive sand bags and other things is bull .

This is not star trek where you can beam a road or tracktor down by calling Scotty's ass out to do it.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm actually getting annoyed with the way CNN is painting the Astrodome situation. Yes, it sucks that they have to drive further, but this is being planned on the fly and they are better off on that damn bus than on some rooftop or in the Superdome.

[timvp]

Not the same plan. The original plan was just the sandbags. This company out of I think they said Houston or maybe it was Baton Rouge came forward with the idea of using the pilings to block off the canal from the lake, drain the water in the canal, then repair the levee.

So they brought in the company, which has been working since Wednesday afternoon on the pilings (they said they have to drive these things 30 ft. into the earth for it to work!), sounds like they're about done with that part, then the city is in effect sealed off from the lake.

Okay, good. I thought the ol' drop sand bags from a helicopter trick ended up working.

[MannyIsGod]

They were dropping sandbags from Blackhawks today, however. But that was on the big levy break that was near the industrial area (I think). That was a pretty stupid looking idea, though. It just looked re ed and like it would take years to fix it taht way.

[2pac]

(although they do a lot of good work that is non partisan)



What has moveon.org ever done without partisan intentions?

[MannyIsGod]

Congress Votes to Restore $100 Million to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (June 2005)
We are delighted that we were able to help restore some of the cuts made to NPR and PBS. MoveOn.org members sent in more than 1 million comments and made more than 40,000 calls to tell Congress to save Big Bird and Mr. Rogers. We are glad to have helped protect such an important service.

Share the Holiday Spirit with Those in Harm's Way
During the holiday season, our hearts go out to those in harm's way. That's why we're highlighting the United Service Organizations' (USO) "Operation Phone Home" to help a soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan call home, and International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies' (IFRC) courageous efforts to bring vital services directly to Iraqi civilians.

Repair the Vote
Several great bills have just been introduced in Congress to repair the embarrassing flaws in our election system -- from electronic voting machines to long lines to partisan election officials. Everyone's waiting to see if this new legislation will pick up speed or fall victim to partisan bickering. We can give these bills the early momentum they need. There's no time to lose: In the coming months, states are poised to buy a billion dollars worth of unreliable electronic voting machines without paper trails.

And those are just recent actions. There's the Katrina actions as well.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Manny, the sandbags were on the 17th street breach. But further down from that is where the pilings were getting driven down to close the canal off to the lake.

Part I is the pilings, and while they do that they are dropping sandbags in as part of part II to close up the levee breach.

I think they just realized that dropping the sandbags in while the water is still rushing in was a losing battle. With the lake sealed off, they have a static water pressure situation to deal with.

No, I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night but did have to suffer through two semesters of fluid dynamics engineering at A&M.

[MannyIsGod]

Ok cool.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Just me thinking, but save for the Saints possibly using it (and even then...), why not offer up the Alamodome?

[MannyIsGod]

It is booked at this time.

[MannyIsGod]

We do have freeman, and other options as well. As the weather gets cooler, a tent city doesn't seem as bad either.

[j-6]

Speaking on CNN's "Larry King Live," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.

Either...

(1) No ing way. The goddamn Superdome isn't even cleared out yet.

(2) If they aren't rescued by late Sunday, they're already dead.

(3) DHS took a page from FEMA's book and is talking out of their ass.

Any takers?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Just saw the list. Thanks.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't know if this is live, but Paula Zahn is going off on somebody about the convention center right now.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

3. Although FEMA is now under DHS, so technically they took a page from their own playbook.

Actually I guess now I think about it I'd have to go with #2. People just can't survive that long with no food and water.

[MannyIsGod]

It isn't live, but I think thats the same guy Ted Coppel ing grilled. The dude is making the rounds as news .

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

She's going off on Mike Brown, the asshat FEMA Director. Same who said part of the blame for the victims is their own for not getting out when they had the chance.

The more and more I watch, listen, and read, the more I get the feeling that FEMA was planning on Katrina just wiping everyone out and not having to worry about survivors.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I swear, this ing guy.

I've basically got all my info on this from this thread and very rarely from TV and online simply because most of my time this week was in the office and our computers were being really ty.

What a tool.

[Nbadan]

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[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well one thing's for sure, he's fixing to be out of a job. The military is taking over and I think the country is going to want heads to roll at FEMA for their ty response.

He's making himself a rather obvious target.

[T Park]

Hey Johnny

did you have links to scanners for the National Guard and such?

[Nbadan]

Hey Johnny

did you have links to scanners for the National Guard and such?

Try this: Scannerbuff

[j-6]

She's going off on Mike Brown, the asshat FEMA Director. Same who said part of the blame for the victims is their own for not getting out when they had the chance.

The more and more I watch, listen, and read, the more I get the feeling that FEMA was planning on Katrina just wiping everyone out and not having to worry about survivors.

I know I said this earlier, but FEMA director is way too important of a job for a political appointee to have. He might be a good guy and all, but we need someone that used to have stars on their shoulders running this department rather than an attorney.