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    Prior to 1983 social security benefits were not taxed. In 1983, Joe Biden voted for a bill that taxed 50% of social security and it passed. In 1993, Biden doubled down and voted for another bill to raise the percentage taxable to 85%. His vote was the deciding vote. Single-handedly Joe Biden has lowered the standard of living significantly for seniors on social security. Now, in his and the Dems governance manifesto, Biden and his handlers advocate for raising the age to receive social security to 72 - and to deeply cut the benefits of those who have a pension or IRA or 401k. Over his 47 year career as a bureaucrat, Biden voted on 31 bills that included tax increases for the citizenry. He voted "yes" on all 31 bills. Time after time, Joe Biden has turned his back on seniors and the middle class in this country. Now he wants us to believe he is only going to tax "the rich." Joe Biden's answer to everything is a new or raised tax. He is trouble. The Marxists around him are bigger trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ducks
    Prior to 1983 social security benefits were not taxed. In 1983, Joe Biden voted for a bill that taxed 50% of social security and it passed. In 1993, Biden doubled down and voted for another bill to raise the percentage taxable to 85%. His vote was the deciding vote. Single-handedly Joe Biden has lowered the standard of living significantly for seniors on social security. Now, in his and the Dems governance manifesto, Biden and his handlers advocate for raising the age to receive social security to 72 - and to deeply cut the benefits of those who have a pension or IRA or 401k. Over his 47 year career as a bureaucrat, Biden voted on 31 bills that included tax increases for the citizenry. He voted "yes" on all 31 bills. Time after time, Joe Biden has turned his back on seniors and the middle class in this country. Now he wants us to believe he is only going to tax "the rich." Joe Biden's answer to everything is a new or raised tax. He is trouble. The Marxists around him are bigger trouble.
    What’s the plan to repair trumps disaster of an economy?
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    No sympathy bounce. Thoughts and prayers.

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    Biden's national lead over Trump jumps to 14 points after debate in NBC News/WSJ poll

    Joe Biden's lead has nearly doubled since Tuesday's debate

    with voters saying by a 2-to-1 margin that

    he has the better temperament to be president.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/biden-s-national-lead-over-trump-jumps-14-points-after-n1242018
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    At what point do GOP Senators start breaking from Trump? Who the wants to be the down ballot candidate for a president whos in the hospital and too sick to govern?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Hunting
    At what point do GOP Senators start breaking from Trump? Who the wants to be the down ballot candidate for a president whos in the hospital and too sick to govern?
    They're stuck with him. If they break from Trump they completely lose their base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline bum
    They're stuck with him. If they break from Trump they completely lose their base.
    Probably true, but I could see someone like Garner getting spooked and breaking from Trump.
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    There's an art to it. You don't come right out as a Trump critic and risk incurring his wrath and losing votes, but you don't overtly talk about Trump in your advertising either. Keep the messaging to families, faith, puppies, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurminator
    There's an art to it. You don't come right out as a Trump critic and risk incurring his wrath and losing votes, but you don't overtly talk about Trump in your advertising either. Keep the messaging to families, faith, puppies, etc.
    Yeah but they’ve got debates coming up where that won’t work. To use an example, Gideon isn’t going to let Susan Collins off the hook for giving a Susan Collins answer to everything.
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    True, it's going to be hard to avoid on the debate stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Hunting
    Probably true, but I could see someone like Garner getting spooked and breaking from Trump.


    He's losing no matter what. I think he's levering his legislative votes for money. Highest bidder gets whatever you want to vote for.
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    Next scheduled public Presidential Debate: 15 Oct 2020 at 2100 hours EST. If he's not there he should drop outta the race. He's not fit (literally) to hold the world's highest office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reck


    He's losing no matter what. I think he's levering his legislative votes for money. Highest bidder gets whatever you want to vote for.
    Maybe not the best example, you’re definitely right he’s just using his seat for a lobbying job now.

    Maybe someone like Steve Daines does in a deep red state where he doesn’t need to be a Trump sycophant to win but is at risk of losing because of Trump.
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    Biden leads in national polls since the debate; it's quite a weird distribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducks
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    Biden leads in national polls since the debate; it's quite a weird distribution.

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    Sorry to break it to you but Zogby which is the one outlier there with 2-3 point is an opinion poll done entirely online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reck
    Sorry to break it to you but Zogby which is the one outlier there with 2-3 point is an opinion poll done entirely online.
    Lets also not forget USC Dornsife was the most Trump-friendly pollster in 2016 (even more so than Trafalgafel or whatever it's called) and it's got Biden up +10
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    I have yet to meet a Biden supporter
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    Why would the Repug party ever break with Trash while he's still in office?

    Trash is 100% Repug in policies, priorities, MISgovernance, plus he's solid Repug as misogynist, racist, xenophobe, "law and order" (only against non-Euro-whites, dissenters)

    Trash is the incarnation of the the main and worst aspects of solid, old Republicanism aka Trumpism.

    Trash not an anomaly
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostKing
    I have yet to meet a Biden supporter
    Anyone who ends up voting for Biden is a supporter, but I know what you mean. I've yet to meet a Biden fan in the wild.
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    US election poll: Trump BEATING Biden despite being hospitalised with Covid – EXCLUSIVE

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mpression=true
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostKing
    I have yet to meet a Biden supporter

    how many US presidential candidates are popular in Poland?

    especially ones who date latinas with fathers who commit voter fraud?

    you gotta get your lies straight
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    Quote Originally Posted by ducks
    US election poll: Trump BEATING Biden despite being hospitalised with Covid – EXCLUSIVE

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mpression=true
    MAGA s still citing the Sunday Express polls.
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    Beto on Biden's chances in Texas: It's his to lose

    'My contention is that this is Biden's to lose,' O'Rourke said


    What is he on crack
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