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    I think the Devin market will be more robust than we think on this forum. He’d be perfect on an emerging team like Orlando for example. I can also see west playoff teams having interest (eg Warriors), but not sure the Spurs would be willing to send him to a rival.
    You forgot about what comes our way.
    Warriors have nothing to offer unless you want Draymond.
    Magic have washed KCP, always injured Isaac, Cole Anthony and Gary Harris.
    WCJ is their only player I'd be interested in, but we'd have to take one or two of those garbage players alongside him. No deal since none is on an expiring contract.

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    You forgot about what comes our way.
    Warriors have nothing to offer unless you want Draymond.
    Magic have washed KCP, always injured Isaac, Cole Anthony and Gary Harris.
    WCJ is their only player I'd be interested in, but we'd have to take one or two of those garbage players alongside him. No deal since none is on an expiring contract.
    Devin for WCJ + Isaac or Anthony... sign me up..

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    Primo was BPA??? Come on man. That was a big swing, and a big miss. I understand the reason (it took me months to finally reconcile with myself), but nah, Primo was NOT BPA. Missing out on obvious BPA's Sengun, Duren, even Jalen Johnson (questionable character* but obviously very talented). Spurs concept of BPA is suspect.
    I agree with exstatic. All of the guys you mentioned were more than likely rated as the BPA on the Spurs board when the drafted them.

    Whether or not the Spurs suck at ranking prospects, is a wholly different question.

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    You forgot about what comes our way.
    Warriors have nothing to offer unless you want Draymond.
    Magic have washed KCP, always injured Isaac, Cole Anthony and Gary Harris.
    WCJ is their only player I'd be interested in, but we'd have to take one or two of those garbage players alongside him. No deal since none is on an expiring contract.
    I'd take a series of expirings for Devin. Addition by subtraction.

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    You forgot about what comes our way.
    Warriors have nothing to offer unless you want Draymond.
    Magic have washed KCP, always injured Isaac, Cole Anthony and Gary Harris.
    WCJ is their only player I'd be interested in, but we'd have to take one or two of those garbage players alongside him. No deal since none is on an expiring contract.
    I was thinking a deal built around WCJ, filler and a pick for Devin.

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    I agree with exstatic. All of the guys you mentioned were more than likely rated as the BPA on the Spurs board when the drafted them.

    Whether or not the Spurs suck at ranking prospects, is a wholly different question.
    Then I don’t know what BPA is. I thought that’s the general consensus on who’s the Best Player Available and not subjective on the team's view. Because when Primo was selected, there were multiple players including Sengun, who the general consensus is the BPA.

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    If the spurs are are looking to unload Devin, they should look to for another team that has a similarly paid player who has underperformed. They'll be wanting to trade their player as well. He's not a bad player by any means, he may just not fit on the next version of the spurs moving forward.

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    Would you take Maluach or Knueppel if both are on the board at #8?...assuming it's the Tankathon Mock but Fears and Queen jumped a few spots.

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    Why, can’t you imagine Queen playing next to Wemby and running around guarding the Tatums and Durants? Or packing the paint offensively and reducing your actual franchise center to a Myles Turner role?

    Oh you said rosy..

    It’s just that some people still live in the past. Can’t imagine anyone watching even these last play in games and thinking hmmm we must have less shooting and spacing.

    I'm with you on this. Queen or Sorber will clog the driving lanes for Fox and Castle. That's why I like Fleming type of player who can shoot 3s and defend the other teams' bigs.

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    I'd take a series of expirings for Devin. Addition by subtraction.
    I would give Devin for free just to free money to sign a shooter.

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    I'm with you on this. Queen or Sorber will clog the driving lanes for Fox and Castle. That's why I like Fleming type of player who can shoot 3s and defend the other teams' bigs.
    Does Isaiah Hartenstein clog the lane for JDub and SGA?
    Does Jarrett Allen clog the lane for Donovan Mitc and Garland?
    Does Sengun clog the lane for Jalen Green and Amen?
    Is Jaxson Hayes clogging the lane for the Lakers?

    guys, old school bigs exist in the NBA and they’re on successful teams right now.

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    Would you take Maluach or Knueppel if both are on the board at #8?...assuming it's the Tankathon Mock but Fears and Queen jumped a few spots.
    if those are my only 2 options, Knueppel easily

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    Does Isaiah Hartenstein clog the lane for JDub and SGA?
    Does Jarrett Allen clog the lane for Donovan Mitc and Garland?
    Does Sengun clog the lane for Jalen Green and Amen?
    Is Jaxson Hayes clogging the lane for the Lakers?

    guys, old school bigs exist in the NBA and they’re on successful teams right now.
    Problem is, Fox and castle are not solid 3 point shooters yet. They cannot open the lane themselves.

    All the above guards you mentioned can shoot 3s wells. That's the big difference that Spurs front office cannot ignore.

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    People acting like Queen is an old school big lol.

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    Would you take Maluach or Knueppel if both are on the board at #8?...assuming it's the Tankathon Mock but Fears and Queen jumped a few spots.
    I’ve been thinking about this scenario. If the shot form looks good during private workouts, my inclination is to go Malauch at 8. Then hope one of Liam or Kasparas is there at 15.

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    People acting like Queen is an old school big lol.
    Well he’s definitely not new school.

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    Does Isaiah Hartenstein clog the lane for JDub and SGA?
    Does Jarrett Allen clog the lane for Donovan Mitc and Garland?
    Does Sengun clog the lane for Jalen Green and Amen?
    Is Jaxson Hayes clogging the lane for the Lakers?

    guys, old school bigs exist in the NBA and they’re on successful teams right now.
    its not so much clogging the lane for drivers. the guys can be pick and roll partners.

    right now, wemby's style of play (other than transition 3's) requires a lot of room for him to operate. its why he has played much better as the sole big on the floor, compared to sharing with Collins/Bassey/Barlow. the only other "big" he showed consistent chemistry with was Mamu, who plays a face-up, floor-spacer role.

    you also then look to the other side of the floor. early last year the spurs had wemby on the perimeter more, flailing at 3 point shots. when he became the center, his defensive impact really took off. yes he can get by on the perimeter and make an impact there. but he's worlds better near the rim for obvious reasons. having guys like Queen/Sorber defend 4's could be catastrophic.

    it works for Cleveland with Allen because Mobley is a ridiculously versatile defender (expected to win DPOY). houston doesnt play Sengun next to another true big. the lakers dont with Hayes.

    OKC is content with Chet on the perimeter when sharing the floor with hartenstein. and they dont run offense through Chet

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    How about Boogie Fland for Spurs' 2nd round pick? He'll make you forget Dilly if you haven't so.

    they say he boxes out. Well that's something most our roster doesn't do. The bar is low

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    Well he’s definitely not new school.
    He is not an old School rim running Post up banger only. He can facilitate and has elite playmaking skills for his size. He is a willing shooter that shot 5-11 from the 3pt line during tournament play. He has great handles for his size. He was the focal point of the offense whether he played inside or out. Sets great screens. Gets to the Free Throw line better than any Big in this class. Was able to switch onto smaller players defensively until he got fatigued late in games. Grades out as one of the best defensive players in this class according to the metrics. High IQ player that grabs boards. Solid fundamentals all around. As he continues to become a better athlete he will be a monster on both sides of the ball.

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    Both camps seem to be reasonable regarding Queen. Scottspurs (and Dejounte) camp must have seen something I miss. Thank you guys for your input!

    I hope Queen will be available at #8 and lets see what front office will do. This years draft is the most fun one.

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    I’m going to do my tier system a different way. The ATL pick is highly dependent on the SA pick.

    Assumption: Flagg and Harper are both gone.

    First choice with our pick: Kon
    Then, my first choice with the Atl pick: Sorber
    If Sorber’s gone, then Jase Richardson
    if Jase’s gone, then Egor Demin
    if Egor is gone, then CMB
    … I call this the “High IQ” group and the scenario I feel is most likely to happen

    Second choice with our pick: VJ Edgecombe
    Then, my first choice with the Atl pick: Sorber
    if Sorber’s gone, then CMB
    if CMB’s gone, then Fleming
    … I call this group, “Clamps”

    Third choice with our pick: Sorber
    Then, my first choice with the Atl pick: Fleming
    if Fleming’s gone, then CMB
    if CMB’s gone, then Noa Essengue
    if Noa’s gone, then Yaxel Lendeborg
    … I call this group, “Physicality”

    Fourth choice with our pick: Derik Queen
    Then, my first choice with the Atl pick: Jase Richardson
    if Jase’s gone, then Egor Demin
    if Egor’s gone, then Ben Saraf
    if Ben’s gone, then Danny Wolf
    … I call this group the “Showtime Spurs”. I view this as the most unlikely scenario.
    Last edited by Dejounte; 04-17-2025 at 08:49 PM.

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    Even though I've advocated for Fleming, I see the appeal of Queen. In reality, he would likely spend the season as the backup center to get acclimated and then maybe try to play with VW, and see what happens. There's also a chance he's great as a backup and we have a positive asset and someone to spare from overplaying VW coming off this injury and likely surgery. In that scenario I can realistically get behind Queen. Even more so with a new coach. And ideally an updated development staff.

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    if we take Queen with our earlier pick then id definitely advocate for Fleming as the second pick. if we aren't getting rim protection from our backup C we damn well better get some from a forward

    but id rather take Sorber with the later pick than Queen with the earlier pick if we are talking backup centers

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    if we take Queen with our earlier pick then id definitely advocate for Fleming as the second pick. if we aren't getting rim protection from our backup C we damn well better get some from a forward

    but id rather take Sorber with the later pick than Queen with the earlier pick if we are talking backup centers
    Tbh Queen was showing a lot of confidence shooting the 3 during the tournament, moreso than someone like CMB did at any point. If there was a non proven shooter right now who could learn the 3 in the NBA, I think Queen is the best bet to learn it the quickest. Confidence is everything and that’s why I’m also betting on Castle to be a good shooter soon since he never gave up shooting 3’s all throughout the season.

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    they say he boxes out. Well that's something most our roster doesn't do. The bar is low
    I'm ready for PG Boogie Fland to lead our team in rebounding

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