Teachers

[TeyshaBlue]

I actually kinda agree with WC on teacher's unions. There's a big enough gap between good teachers and bad teachers where teachers unions are counter productive in some areas. Maybe that's oversimplified, but the Chicago teachers unions that went on strike over whether or not teachers should be evaluated really put a sour taste of teachers unions in my mouth.

I also think pay should be structured somewhat based off what the teacher is teaching. A high school teacher teaching A.P. chemistry should make more than the one teaching freshman English (aka reading comprehension for dummies).

I agree on the tier/subject approach generally. Not sure I'd be quite that granular. There are some unintended consequences to tiering pay in a public ed setting. Now, if you want to add stipends on top of base pay, I think that's probably a better way to handle it.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm sure there is. I'm also sure there is a better way for rating teachers than I could come up with. I have the wrong background.

Would you agree teachers should get some kind of performance based pay? Maybe the current step pay and a performance pay? Maybe even pay bonuses by location. Have like a set extra $100 a week for the bad schools nobody wants to teach at, when they can move to a different school/position?

I thought No Child Left Behind was a good idea, and look how that turned out. I'm probably not the best person to ask about this

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I actually kinda agree with WC on teacher's unions. There's a big enough gap between good teachers and bad teachers where teachers unions are counter productive in some areas. Maybe that's oversimplified, but the Chicago teachers unions that went on strike over whether or not teachers should be evaluated really put a sour taste of teachers unions in my mouth.

I also think pay should be structured somewhat based off what the teacher is teaching. A high school teacher teaching A.P. chemistry should make more than the one teaching freshman English (aka reading comprehension for dummies).

The answer to that is simple. Instead of banning collective bargaining, you mandate that performance evaluation are non-negotiable. Unions should not be allowed to preserve the job of incompetents. That being said, a group of laborers should have the right to collectively bargain with their employers.

[Wild Cobra]

I actually kinda agree with WC on teacher's unions. There's a big enough gap between good teachers and bad teachers where teachers unions are counter productive in some areas. Maybe that's oversimplified, but the Chicago teachers unions that went on strike over whether or not teachers should be evaluated really put a sour taste of teachers unions in my mouth.

Thank-You for that.

I also think pay should be structured somewhat based off what the teacher is teaching. A high school teacher teaching A.P. chemistry should make more than the one teaching freshman English (aka reading comprehension for dummies).

Maybe, but isn't it possible that would incline some districts not to teach better courses? We all have our own beliefs of what is important for class types and what isn't. That freshman English class just might be real important to someone who wants to do better, but had problems for some reason.

I think the school should have some say and rating in their teachers performance, and there should also be some type of test. I am against evaluation based on how do the students do unless there is some checks and balances to keep from focusing on teaching the test.

I do want to see good teachers be rewarded, and bad teachers make bottom scale. Unions make such distinctions next to impossible these days.

[TeyshaBlue]

Thank-You for that.

Maybe, but isn't it possible that would incline some districts not to teach better courses? We all have our own beliefs of what is important for class types and what isn't. That freshman English class just might be real important to someone who wants to do better, but had problems for some reason.

No. Most school districts have a curriculum set by the state. They are not allowed to pick and choose. There might be some leeway in AP courses and some electives, but by and large, these decisions are not made at the local level.

I think the school should have some say and rating in their teachers performance, and there should also be some type of test. I am against evaluation based on how do the students do unless there is some checks and balances to keep from focusing on teaching the test.

The local districts do have say in rating performance. It's the compensation piece that's often taken out of their hands.

I do want to see good teachers be rewarded, and bad teachers make bottom scale. Unions make such distinctions next to impossible these days.

[RandomGuy]

Holy , a decent conversation broke out!!!


, when did that happen?

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm at a complete loss to explain it.

[Wild Cobra]

The name calling stopped...

[TeyshaBlue]

The name calling stopped...

Shup, re !

[Wild Cobra]

I'm at a complete loss to explain it.

Shup, re !

LOL...

OK, if you can't connect the dots...

[Wild Cobra]

TB, your first response to me:

Over compensated? Could you say anything stupider than that?

Maybe you would have quality debates if you stopped being an asshole.

[Nbadan]

That is not quite fair. Charter schools themselves are not THE answer, but they do allow for laboratories in which to test solutions and theories. As long as they aren't outright harmful to their kids, then I don't see testing what works and what doesn't as a bad thing, do you?

Look, my point is that charter schools will not, and are not required to accept kids with special needs nor kids with sever behavioral, psychological or emotional issues...if public schools could do that then you would see an incremental rise in the standard of education at most public schools..no need to 'experiment'..no child left behind is inclusion to the extreme, and while I agree all kids need social skills packing a room full of kids with sever learning or personal issues lowers the bar for everyone...

[Nbadan]

dp

[Nbadan]

I like the apprenticeship approach. I only had to do one year, my sr. year in college. I've always felt that one year was too short. I can't see any particular reason why we couldn't align college curriculum with a 2 year student teaching program for the Jr/Sr Years. I'm talking about an apprenticeship before getting certified. Tenure should be stricken from the lingo, imo.

There are programs like project gear which do just that...they are teaching apprenticeship payed by project share go help teachers by providing tutoring in class. In Texas you have to teach a minimum of 5 years to be vested....

[Nbadan]

I actually kinda agree with WC on teacher's unions. There's a big enough gap between good teachers and bad teachers where teachers unions are counter productive in some areas. Maybe that's oversimplified, but the Chicago teachers unions that went on strike over whether or not teachers should be evaluated really put a sour taste of teachers unions in my mouth.

Just like a bad economy can lead to a bad year or two for even the best salesman, a year or two of 'bad kids' can ruin the reputations of the best teachers...there are many stories of teachers being teacher-of-the-year one year and on probation or fired the next...

[Nbadan]

I also think pay should be structured somewhat based off what the teacher is teaching. A high school teacher teaching A.P. chemistry should make more than the one teaching freshman English (aka reading comprehension for dummies)

I kinda agree that more difficult subjects deserve stipends, but the minimum teacher pay right now would be my lower pay scale for all teachers, not the norm...most teacher candidates from teach for America and similar programs fail within the first 3 years...

[jack sommerset]

Did your wife find a job for the summer? I hope she is still not discourage by her teachers salary. There are plenty of ways to add to her income. God bless

[Capt Bringdown]

[jack sommerset]

Perhaps she can become a professor at a major college!!

Maybe she can get on board one of those really expensive private schools and make some money. They are hard to come by but if she has "it' there will be no stopping her!!!!!

I am pulling for your two. God bless

[Capt Bringdown]

[Wild Cobra]

And people wonder why others want to send their kids to private schools...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And people wonder why others want to send their kids to private schools...

And surprise surprise, the dumbass misses the point.

[snicker licker]

My wife has taught for over 20 years in Texas and loves her job. She works long hours and buys supplies out of our budget for her classroom that is not covered by her alloted funds. She loves her kids and works her ass off everyday. She hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years while the state cuts in education funding that cost jobs and increases her workload.

She is tired of being berated by the Fox News crowd for all of the problems in public schools. She is offended and realizes that many of her critics don't know what in the f*ck they are talking about.

She has come to despise republicans even though she is not a political person who never votes. She despises Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and the likes for the continous lies they perpetuate about her profession.

Now we have teachers giving their lives up for their students in Sandy Hook and Moore, Oklahoma. Considering we have many on this board who blame teachers for the ills in public schools, maybe tragedies like this will make you pieces of crap realize that most teachers aren't lazy nor are they in it for the vacation.

Those republicans can go to .

Good job teach.

If any teacher actually buys supplies with their own money, they are stupid as .

The school provides all necessities. The extra supplies are no doubt not absolutely necessary and are most likely for some bull project.

IMO, Teachers are grossly overpaid and they more times than not are lazy as and can't cut it in the real business world.

I absolutely think most teachers are the laziest of the lazy in the work force.

[leemajors]

If any teacher actually buys supplies with their own money, they are stupid as .

The school provides all necessities. The extra supplies are no doubt not absolutely necessary and are most likely for some bull project.

IMO, Teachers are grossly overpaid and they more times than not are lazy as and can't cut it in the real business world.

I absolutely think most teachers are the laziest of the lazy in the work force.

You're a moron and obviously unfamiliar with Texas schools. The school provides very little outside of a classroom to teach in.

[boutons_deux]

If any teacher actually buys supplies with their own money, they are stupid as .

The school provides all necessities. The extra supplies are no doubt not absolutely necessary and are most likely for some bull project.

IMO, Teachers are grossly overpaid and they more times than not are lazy as and can't cut it in the real business world.

I absolutely think most teachers are the laziest of the lazy in the work force.

rightwing vomiting his/her ignorance.