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Yep, you are somewhat right. But they didn't drive the Britts out. The
Britts did get tired of fighting the Jews and attempting to keep them out.
And so let the UN make the decision.
That's not condescending at all.Yeah, your bad. Go read a little history along about 1948.
Yep, you are somewhat right. But they didn't drive the Britts out. The
Britts did get tired of fighting the Jews and attempting to keep them out.
And so let the UN make the decision.
A proposal, which the Arabs rejected feeling it was unfair...and the Jews accepted.
Some Israeli troops have moved into Lebanon.
Whatever. I hold no sympathy for any middle eastern country or culture. I only care about American interests and lives.
The day Canada starts political or terrorist organizations with stated plans of the "...annihilation of the USA", my vote will go right into kicking their ass from one side of the globe to the other tomorrow.
I dont give a God damn why Israel is where it is. I dont care who decided they should be there. None of that is relevant. When your -bag, pre-industrial country gets its lunch handed to them in a war, you ing lose. To the victor go the spoils. Ask Japan.
Im sorry you had your (and everyone elses) ing Holy Land taken away from you. Boo- ing-hoo.
Want it back? Take it by force!
Cant do that because youre a ing stain, poor-ass, zealot country? Then get in ing line with the other heads who want something for nothing or because you were there before they were. "I want my grandfathers land back!" Yeah? bet the Indians want Michigan back, too. Those Mexicans are still pissed about Texas also. Lets see them do something about it.
They took it from you. Your ancestors bent over like the cowards they were and signed the damn deal in exchange for their miserable lives. I cry no tears for them.
None. I dont give a about Israel either. I look at the middle east and think...
Parking Lot.
What a sad piece of e-cowardly you are.
so u don't give a . good for u. nobody will give a at ur funeral either loser.
if u don't give a , why u even click on the thread ??
Never got tough with you. Calm down emo kid. The Club beckons you.
Think I care about who is crying at my funeral? Is this a contest of who cares more?so u don't give a . good for u. nobody will give a at ur funeral either loser.
if u don't give a , why u even click on the thread ??
Nope.
My point is, I dont give a about Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Israel.
If there were some magical way to get them all to hate each other and somehow send them into a killing frenzy by which all would be involved, I would do it. If Israel is the -stain that lights this fire, then lets do it.
No more pussy-footing around with this region.
That sounds like a great idea. Except u forgot Israel has nuclear weapons. And if backed against the wall, they will use them. and then u have the oil in the region which directly affects the US. you don't wanna be walking everywhere and paying $$$$ for food, and the basics, etc in the next 5 years if oil production there is gone.
in other words maybe you should give a cause whatever happens will directly affect u.
Know why I am the way I am? Because I am sick of being lied to.
This Iraq situation is a charade. WMDs! , no WMDs. Removing a Dictator. , hes not the only one (why him?). Spreading Democracy! , democracy isnt exacty workable with these people.
America doesnt know what the it is doing. If Israel wasnt in the region, would we have these international problems still? I would think so. The region is soooooo poor and oil dependant, these sheep are fed what to believe from their preists (whatever).
If there is not enough food, the Jews did it. If the economy is weak, Americas fault. Its all bull . America has no responsibility to make things fair for ANY country in the world! If those peoples ancestors chose to inhabit a ing desert, Im sorry about their luck. Unless theyre drilling oil or weaving, theyre not doing much else for export in most ME countries.
Point being, why did 9/11 happen? Why does Al-Queda hate the US so? Why do these coward countries like Saudi Araba and Syria finance known terrorist organizations?
Because they dont want to fight. They know they would lose! Sooooooo, they instead hire mercenaries (ie terrorists) to do it for them. They dont really care for the "hows" and "whys", just that they achieve certain objectives. They give them money, intel and even sometimes haven.
The whoooooole damn region is guilty. The whooooole damn culture is too. The moment Palestine elected Hamas to run their country was when I stopped caring about what happens to the country or its people. Same with Hezbolla.
I am not talking about religion here, I am talking about culture. If it were possible to not have to deal with the region, I wish we would. But we cant. ing oil.
Im sick of having to cowtow to mediocre tyrants supported by people who hold religion and tradition higher than human rights and equality.
Does it not seem strange to some people that America actually has to teach these people how to vote?! Or that woman arent property? Or that murder is illegal, no matter what the cir stance?
These seem like very basic tenets of life to me. To them, Im from Mars. If my daughter gets raped, she absolutely has to die, I mean Cmon! I cant have that kind of dishonor in my family!
If that is what we are fighting to protect, then I vote no protection at all. If Israel turns out to be the instrument that precludes the symphony, then hopefully the West will be the conductor.
I totally agree. But if you think the US govt would allow oil production in the ME to cease to exist...
By diplomacy or force, oil will be produced and refined. Come or high water.
dude think about it. If there is a major war in the middle east, the production will be affected if not stopped completely.
The oil infrastructure will be destroyed and even the ppl who work in oil will be dead.
That is the worst case scenario, but its very possible.
You completely missed what Darkreign is saying. I thought I was one of the more liberal thinkers on this forum. (man was I wrong) I'm all for peace and happy and birds that take food from our hands, but , some of you want to save the arabs that wish to stick a pipe bomb up our ass.
If you think our gov. is just going to walk away from oil then you don't belong in this discussion. Apparently, you know very little about republicans and democrats.
Yeah, if I had a button that would start an earthquake and drop the entire ME into the ocean, I would do it too. But we're stuck with it, and I say we support Israel and guide them on the path to properly destroying hezbollah and hamas.
Syria and Iran are all but blatantly supporting the violent muslim factions, so Israel needs help too. Israel is already ing up by continuing these stupid airstrikes. If their strategists and leaders are this ing stupid then they need help. It just seems all so simple at this point though, I still believe Israel has a land invasion in mind. At the very least they could block off the Syria-Lebanon border hardcore, to prevent further missles going into lebanon (one of their supposed goals which will never happen with a pussyfooting airstrike.)
Why not just be humane about the whole situation, and instead of annhilating them, convert them to hinduism.
I don't know what it is, but I don't know what it is either.
I don't know what it is, but PDBM is very muslim biased.
A few million/billion is different from "hey she got 2 snickers and I got one".
You calm down.
I despise people like your ass. People that will sit there at there computer screen and spew hatred, but would never say anything to anybody in person. Keep typing.
You know what they say about assumption...
Can you deny the fact that the culture over there is violent and barbaric?
That women are literally treated like property to be bought and sold?
That women who are raped or molested have somehow shamed her family and therefore need to be punished somehow? Sometimes by death?
Do you not admit that this "line of thinking" is very prevelant in some degree or capacity in ALL middle eastern cultures not named Israel?
No one can deny any of this, yet we as Americans have to be politically correct and like these people when they have no redeeming societal qualities at all. Sure, I bet Mohommed Ali is a swell guy at the bar. But Mr. Ali's country and culture isnt so swell.
If the majority of people in the Middle East are God-fearing, hard-working, non-violent civilians, then they are cowards to let their names be sullied by terrorists/jihadists/what-the- -evers.
Either way, no love lost on my part.
Last edited by DarkReign; 07-20-2006 at 10:24 AM.
PDBM, the big picture has eluded you.
If there is a war in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and Iraq will have no direct part in it, therefore oil will still be produced. For all America's gaffs in Iraq, they sure do know how to protect oil fields.
Maybe at very reduced amount, and exorbant prices, but still oil.
Now, if youre talking about all out war in the middle east....
The least of the worlds problems would be oil for the forseeable future.
I don't really care if you have any love for Muslims in the Middle East.
But most of you're ignorant comments aren't based in fact, or just flat out wrong.
+ The culture over there for the MOST part is not violent or barbaric. Now if you walk into a war zone (palestine/israel) of course there's going to be violence. There's violence in Pakistan in the border regions and in Kashmir, does that make India and Pakistant violent and barbaric? I hope not, because the US has strong ties with both.
+ Women being put to death because they're raped? Not that I know of. If it happens in some backward areas, then that's another story. Lynchings still occur in areas of the south. What's your point?
+ As for Israel's "line of thinking". They're economically advanced, and with it they rid themselves of certain customs they too had in the past. That's what happens...it happened in the US too. As your country matures/grows you begin to do things differently. Unfortunately, Palestine doesn't get Millions in aid every year from the US.
+ This year Israel is getting $2.04 billion in military aid and $720 million in economic aid there is only military aid. If Palestine got that much, the Jews would be the terrorists.
WASHINGTON - The House, displaying a foreign affairs solidarity lacking on issues like Iraq, voted overwhelmingly Thursday to support Israel in its confrontation with Hezbollah guerrillas.
The resolution, which was passed on a 410-8 vote, also condemns enemies of the Jewish state.
there is a lot of dems in that 410 vote.... (political year)
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