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They even let folks drive out if they could.
Now the others can't leave period.
Which am i going to be more pissed about?
"NOw its OK to shoot at US"I didn't hear him stick up for murders and shooters.
THe only people they are shooting, is murders and the shooters.
So tell me again how hes not defending them?
They even let folks drive out if they could.
Now the others can't leave period.
Which am i going to be more pissed about?
What happened to the judge and the jury? What if there is a guy trying to protect his family from the "looters" and they kill him because he has a gun?
Nice.
Oh for chirst sake TIMVP use common ing sense.
Im talking about the s who are shooting at helicopters and Fireman.
Come the on.
Your actin like Sequ, wantin to start shyeiiitt.
We're left with two choices here:
1) An Administration so utterly incompetent that even given five days it can't organize logistics to evacuate its own citizens from an assembly point, much less feed them or get them water. (Meanwhile Texas cities are able to care for evacuees on an impromptu basis)
2) An Administration so callous that it doesn't have any sense of urgency about rescuing its own citizens from disaster. I don't know whether that's racism or what. They bungled the Mississippi operation too where there are plenty of white folks, but Gov. Barbour knows what he's doing over there and could pick up the slack. Gov. Blanco is useless for anything but weepy press conferences.
There are no good options here. The federal government failed as miserably in a crisis as I can remember. This is on the scale of Herbert Hoover-type failure. And don't tell me that the scope is just too big. If they didn't plan for a Category 5 hurricane in New Orleans, that's incompetence. If they didn't count on flooding, or unrest, or refugees, or loss power and sanitation and communication, they're incompetent. They've handled hurricanes, bad ones like Andrew, before. And cities like Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio are figuring out how to care for a swarm of refugees with what, 24 hours' notice, if that? It can be done. The feds just ed it up. They have any resources they need in this country available to them. They just don't know what to do.
Anybody who's done so much as read a newspaper in the last four years knew what would happen to New Orleans if a big hurricane hit it. Somehow the federal government didn't get that message or plan for it.
And don't get all partisan on me. I'm one of those conservative types who thinks that the government is best when it sticks to things like national defense, major infrastructure, and the like. Well, national defense to me includes being ready for natural disasters. Our national security has been deeply compromised, and the strongest country in the world is clueless about how to staunch the bleeding. It shouldn't take a week to get mobilized.
This is totally unacceptable. I know workers are busting their asses off in awful conditions, but they've been let down by the people above them in charge of command and control. That's the governor of Louisiana, the FEMA chief, the Director of Homeland Security, and the guy who hired the latter two -- the President of the United States.
I'm just disgusted.
I don't understand. Why did they turn people back at the checkpoint? Why would they send people back into the city?
Best post of the thread.
I don't believe there was any overt racism, but if the Superdome had lots of blonde young white women, there would have been a faster response.
Um ... because ... you see ... uh .... good question.
They want them dead? That's about all I can come up with.
Good post.This is totally unacceptable. I know workers are busting their asses off in awful conditions, but they've been let down by the people above them in charge of command and control. That's the governor of Louisiana, the FEMA chief, the Director of Homeland Security, and the guy who hired the latter two -- the President of the United States.
I'm just disgusted.
Two days ago, I was saying give them a break - it takes time, blah, blah. But it's going into Saturday now and it's really disgusting. I can't handle that people were left in the Convention Center without food/water for four days without any sense of direction or hope. And I can't handle that the transportation to get the people out is at a snail's place. I don't get at this point why there isn't non-stop buses taking people out.
I don't know who's "fault" it is, and I don't really care right this second. But every person involved needs to take responsibility immediately and save all the people they can. It's a horrendous situation. This shouldn't happen in America.
There is no port to dock.... the ports where destroyed..
No need for a ship when the main big runway is open at the airport.. hence the ongoing airlifts out of people.. this will be 24x7 operation now that they have generators at the airport for portable radar and runway lights.
I can tell you this, if I was trying to get my children out of there and they were hungry/starving/sick/distraught and I was turned back. I seriously don't think I could handle it. I'd lose it.
Did the generators just get there today?
You know, I don't know if it was some grand scale racism, but keeps adding up. Only missing white girls get coverage. The media labels black people looter, white people as "finders". The govenrment plays with itself for days while a city made up of mainly poor black people dies.
At what point do you notice that thing quacking and walking like a duck is a ing duck?
So you'd become a "looter"?
Interesting.
Yup.
Were purposely killing black people.
Adds up....
incorrect.Only missing white girls get coverage
Fox news reporters are interviewing blacks, and asking who is missing and they answer...
Going a tad overboard.
Oh, I would have looted for food on Day One.So you'd become a "looter"?
Interesting.
At this point, I'd probably go JohnQ.
yeah! As would I. That would be after I came down from the shrooms that Manny and I snuck into the Dome.So you'd become a "looter"?
Interesting.
But seriously, I would.
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There has been a complete breakdown in command and control, and nobody knows what they're supposed to be doing. That's my take.
Oh, and another thing. The people are refugees. If you are a member of the black community using on air TV time to argue these people aren't refugees based on their American citizenship, you are a complete and utter fool who is wasting air time that could be used for an actual purpose that does not involve being politically correct but instead furthers the effort to save lives.
I think he's talking pre-Katrina. You know.
I could argue the opposite. I could say the poor, desperate black people are getting all the press and all the national attention while the poor, desperate white people in Mississippi and other parts Louisiana aren't getting any attention whatsoever. All eyes are on New Orleans, but there are thousands of whites barely surviving and the media is practically ignoring it. My neighbor finally got word that his sister is alive (but not well) and she and her family also went 3 days without food, barely enough water and no sign of national guard or police or anything.
Geraldo gave out troop movements, when he was embeded w/ troops in Iraq.
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I could also go on a nice diatribe about the abject failure of the state of Louisiana in emergency efforts, except that their performance neither surprises nor disappoints me. I knew they didn't have their together. They never have in the entire history of the state. There's a reason a place with the natural resources they have has remained such a backward-ass hole.
But the performance of the feds really upsets me. After 9/11, I thought we really had it together. Not so. If Texas runs into trouble, now I know we're on our own.
I agree the state of Louisiana has totally sucked as well. Their weepy governor needed to order their National Guard to do whatever it takes to get help to NO, or maybe their National Guard was too decimated (combination of Iraq and NO evacuations before the hurricane hit) to help much.
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