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It looks like they looted enough food and drinks to sit out the wait. So that's good at least.
It's probably not a good sign that this was taken today. What part of 'help' isn't understood?
It's probably not a good sign that this was taken today. What part of 'help' isn't understood?
It looks like they looted enough food and drinks to sit out the wait. So that's good at least.
It's probably not a good sign that this was taken today. What part of 'help' isn't understood?
Oh... it says HELF.... no need to stop, carry on
I heard that on an Anderson Cooper interview. The people decided to go there on their own thinking it would be better than waiting at the Superdome. Apparently no authorities told them to do this. I guess that's how it fell thru the cracks. Still, you'd think helicopters flying over would see the mass exodus. But again, you guys can keep ing about the media, but the media is how FEMA heard about everyone gathering at the Convention Center situation.
It's a bad sign when you have to resort to waiving an American flag to prove you aren't dangerous.
15K people don't decide to go somewhere on their own. And even if some went without someone telling them to go there, there'd be plenty of others that would know people were going there.
That pic was actually taken yesterday LJ, it was the front page of CNN for a while.
Sounds like they've figured that's a better way than filling a bus with 50 people. Forty thousand is a load of people.Military helicopters continued airlifts throughout the day, ferrying in supplies and taking many people out of the city to the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport in nearby Kenner. The facility so far has processed 40,000 people, with priority given to the sick and injured, one official said
timvp, may I remind you those are most likely looted American flags and you should be scared.
"what part of help don't you understand"
TimVP,
I just heard a new estimate that there are over 200,000 people that didn't evacuate and that are needing rescue. even if that figure is closer to 60,000 as was earlier thought, that is a staggering number of people to rescue. The have to get the elderly, sick, and the many people dying before they stop for healthy and able bodied young men like those depicted in the photo.
just for the sake of stats, they have so far rescued 10,000 according to the Coast Guard.
also, as Aggie pointed out the makeshift medical facilities have treated40,000 people. These rescuers are working there asses off and doing some great work. I don't think it's fair to suggest as you did with the "what part of help" thing, that these pilots and rescuers are just callously flying over people and don't "get" that they need help. We just need about 10X as many personnel down there.
Last edited by Jelly; 09-03-2005 at 12:09 AM.
I thought that was the estimate in the beginning - 1.2M in the N.O. metro area and that 20% didn't get out/leave. The 200K is the number we were talking about here in this thread one day after Katrina.I just heard a new estimate that there are over 200,000 people
That's the point. It's Saturday now, they should have gotten more people down there helping by now.We just need about 10X as many personnel down there.
can't argue that, but the rescuers on the scene are working themselves into exhaustion. When this is over, some people in high places will have some explaining to do.
The New Orleans situation should take precedence over everything else in the world. Instead of fighting thousands of miles away in the sand, why not help out the peeps in our own backyard?
Because that's what the hurricane wants, if we don't "stay the couse", the hurricane wins
last one for tonight, i swear.
WOW, this is an interesting read...
http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/o/nov04/nov04c.html
"What if Hurricane Ivan had Hit New Orleans"
Recent evacuation surveys show that two thirds of nonevacuees with the means to evacuate chose not to leave because they felt safe in their homes.For those without means, the medically challenged, residents without personal transportation, and the homeless, evacuation requires significant assistance.A proposal made after the evacuation for Hurricane Georges to use public transit buses to assist in their evacuation out of the city was not implemented for Ivan. If Ivan had struck New Orleans directly it is estimated that 40-60,000 residents of the area would have perished.If a hurricane of a magnitude similar to Ivan does strike New Orleans, the challenges surrounding rescue efforts for those who have not evacuated will be different from other coastal areas.
Regional and national rescue resources would have to respond as rapidly as possible and would require augmentation by local private vessels (assuming some survived). And, even with this help, federal and state governments have estimated that it would take 10 days to rescue all those stranded within the city. No shelters within the city would be free of risk from rising water. Because of this threat, the American Red Cross will not open shelters in New Orleans during hurricanes greater than category 2; staffing them would put employees and volunteers at risk. For Ivan, only the Superdome was made available as a refuge of last resort for the medically challenged and the homeless.In this hypothetical storm scenario, it is estimated that it would take nine weeks to pump the water out of the city, and only then could assessments begin to determine what buildings were habitable or salvageable. Sewer, water, and the extensive forced drainage pumping systems would be damaged.Survivors would have to endure conditions never before experienced in a North American disaster.Absolutely chilling, and absolutely on the money.National hurricane experts predict more active and powerful hurricane seasons in the Atlantic basin for the next 10-40 years. The hurricane scenario for New Orleans that these converging risks portend is almost unimaginable. Hurricane Ivan had the potential to make the unthinkable a reality. Next time New Orleans may not be so fortunate.
Awesome, they had the 15 year old kid who commandeered the school bus and drove people to the Astrodome on.
Kid's a hero, I wish FEMA had the same initiative.
Man. I wish I had turned away. They just showed a picture of this guy that got beaten to a pulp with a lead pipe in the Superdome. That was gruesome. The photographer said he didn't know if the guy made it.
Okay, I have to brag on my school a little... A&M sent a bunch of buses to NO to help evac refugees to SA and Dallas, and is taking on a couple hundred at Reed Arena (our basketball arena). Good bull.
I'm surprised they didn't shoot the damn crazy looter. Food and drinks I can understand, but a bus?
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I checked Tim Duncan's website and was a little disappointed that there is no mention or condolences to the Hurricane victims. I thought he might be one of the first athletes to step up since he was so affected by Hugo.
Trust me, the blame should be placed on the people who run the site.
BTW, I need to share my Houston experience coming back from a client visit today...
EVERY SINGLE radio station was talking about the relief efforts, telling people where to donate, where to volunteer, what was needed, etc.
Drove by the Astrodome and there was a long line of cars waiting with donations (took up the exit ramp, about a half mile of frontage road, and then all of S. Main St. (runs alongside the Dome).
Tons of media vehicles in the parking lot, not surprised, but damn I have never seen so many satellite trucks.
On the tv at the airport they had people left and right thanking Texas for its generosity. One guy said something like "Texas is doing it right, God bless y'all, wish FEMA knew half as much as the people running this state."
Client and I talked about it (I have to go back next week), we are going to call it a day at noon next Friday and go clear out a couple of Wal-Marts of footballs, basketballs, etc. and head to the Astrodome.
Houston is setting a high bar for the rest of this state to follow though, and I think we'll be up to the challenge.
They're dedicating another 2 minutes of the 24/7 coverage to the devastated communities in Mississippi. These poor whities have been without food, water, electricity, shelter since Monday. They are just now seeing the national guard for the first time in five days. I reassert my claim that the media and the government don't care about white people.
and I KNOW Jesse Jackson sure as doesn't.
that is very true"Texas is doing it right, God bless y'all, wish FEMA knew half as much as the people running this state."
Hmm, someone on Houston TV just brought up a good point (they are broadcasting KHOU here in Dallas) about the relief efforts.
Mayor Nagin originally told FEMA 10,000 needed evaced after the hurricane went through, so the gov. prepped for 10K. Then all of a sudden it was 50,000, and yesterday (before his rant) he told FEMA he needed help evacing over 100,000.
Not excusing FEMA, but the point was made that org. just coordinates and the mayor all of a sudden was increasing his situation ten fold.
Hadn't thought about that yet, but they had a point.
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