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Major props to the general.
Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, the man the mayor says got more done in his first 3 hours in NO than the FEMA prick did in two days.
You are correct Manny! Not to dimish the damage done in Mississippi and Alabama, but the storm there is basically over and cleanup begins. In NO, it is not over and it will take al long time to begin cleanup.
Major props to the general.
Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, the man the mayor says got more done in his first 3 hours in NO than the FEMA prick did in two days.
I understand that Manny. I don't believe the media and govt don't care about white people. I was being sarcastic to counter this claim that the rescue attempts were lousy because the victims were black. The fact is there are hundreds of thousands of white victims that we are barely hearing about. And they got the same slow response and lousy service.
I'm also trying to counter this claim that the media only cares about whites. The Natalee Holloway Theory doesn't apply here. If it did, than the media coverage wouldn't center almost entirely around the black population, even if it is about a major city.
I do agree that when these kidnappings occur, the media cares more about beautiful blonds from middle or upper class families than they care about poor "less sympathetic" people. (I am not calling the non-Natalee's not sympathetic, but the media makes such determinations). The victim that is the most "desirable" always gets hyped to no end. I honestly think that if Natalee was fat, ugly, had a prison record and came from a trailer park, we would never have heard her name.
Its not that they don't care, its that they approach things differently. I don't think there is an overt effort to be racist, but if people don't see the differences then they just aren't looking. And if there are differences, then there is something driving that difference. And regardless of what is driving the differernce, a difference based on race is racism by nature.
Oh, and even though the media coverage was centered on the black population, it wasn't very favorable in the begining. It was very unfavorable in the begining. All they did was complain about ing looting.
My point is there is no difference. The fact is there are people in predominantly white communities that are ALSO not getting food, water, and did not see the National Guard until Friday. That's my whole point. All this comes down to major screw-ups and bad organization.
But since New Orleans is getting all the attention, all we are seeing are suffering blacks and people are jumping to the wrong conclusions. It's about inefficiency, poor preparation, disorganization and inept leadership, not racism.
according to the BBC, Singapore sent Chinook helicopters following a request by the US to Fort Polk, Louisiana, to help to ferry supplies and undertake airlift missions.
This, I can't believe. Why the does the United States of America have to ask Singapore for helicopters? That is just embarrassing.
So let me get this straight...
1. A number of people were wondering when other countries were going to offer help and were miffed when it didn't come quickly.
2. People are mad that the gov't didn't do everything they could to help as quickly as possible.
3. You're now embarrassed because the gov't is seeking help from another country.
I tell you, this 'cane has turned SpursTalk into Bizarro SpursTalk.
I'm embarrassed that the greatest military power the world has ever seen and the nation which spends more on this massive military power than the next 17 nations combined, doesn't have enough friggin Chinooks to rescue it's own citizens, no matter how massive the devastation.
Who says they didn't have enough? The more helicopters the better, right?
I'm telling you Jelly, sometimes there's just no pleasing you
In regards to Carnival
12:27 P.M. - GALVESTON, TX (AP): Federal officials are chartering three Carnival Cruise Lines ships for six months to provide shelter for Hurricane Katrina evacuees.
The "Ecstasy," "Sensation" and "Holiday" are being pulled from regular use.
Ecstasy and Sensation will both be pulled Monday. They're scheduled to dock and house Katrina refugees in Galveston, Texas. The Holiday likely will be pulled Thursday and docked in Mobile, Alabama.
The Ecstasy and Sensation can each take about 2,600 passengers. The Holiday has capacity for about 1,800 people. Guests with canceled bookings will get refunds and the opportunity to re-book on any Carnival ship -- with a $100-per-person shipboard credit.
The "Elation," which operates from Galveston, will take over some of Ecstasy's schedule.
Ok, more on Mike Brown that makes me wonder what the he's thinking
Mother er, did you not notice that this hurricane was one of the strongest ever? Did you not notice that almost everyone out there gave the levee's a very poor chance of standing this onslaught?10:03 A.M. - Brown: Seeing the magnitude of this tragedy, people want to lash out at FEMA, they want to lash out at me. That's fine and understandable. But I have to continue trying to save lives.
10:03 A.M. - Brown: We thought we had the standard hurricane and that we'd immediately respond and have things in order in a couple of days and then the levee broke and that hampered us and then some idiots decided they'd get guns and start shooting and that almost put our rescue efforts at a halt. If you don't think it frustrates an urban search and rescue person when they are trying to save lives and they have to stop because they are being shot at, then you are wrong.
The guy is really ing stupid, and I am not sad that he is giong to be toast. , he should already have been canned.
Agreed. Building a levee system to only withstand a CAT 3 especially in a city with the specs N.O. has is pretty damn stupid in the first place. But to just assume that with a CAT 4/5 everything is going to be standard and that a levee system built for a CAT 3 will be okay in a CAT 4/5 is even stupider.
would you believe that people who know me call me "high maintenance"?I'm telling you Jelly, sometimes there's just no pleasing you
I guess you would. Well, I don't care if you, lots of people on this board, people at work, my family, several friends, and some ex-boyfriends think I'm unreasonable and hard to please. you're all free to your opinions, no matter how misguided they may be.
I know in my heart that I am right
At least you have a sense of humor.
Here's what amazes me... New Orleans has 430 miles of levees. Yet, all it took was a 400 yard break to the city over.
In engineering classes we always talked about safety factor. There is nothing in that design that is safe. 400 yard breaks undoes 400 MILES of levees protecting the city. That's ed up.
Forget this cots.. what they need are more air matresses.
I suppose they would needed a levee behind a levee behind a levee.
But they did a cost-benefit analysis and decided that building a system to contain a Category 4 hurricane was too expensive compared to the complete destruction of the 35th largest city in the United States, the displacement of 1.4 million people, and the disruption of commerce for America's largest port for the forseeable future.
And why is Michael Brown doing press conferences on my television? President Bush, Mr. Brown should be in a prison cell somewhere.
No just a big concrete dam... not 10 inches of crete and then dirt..
It's gonna need to look like a giant Medina Lake dam. With a seawall double the existing size.
Or.. you build everything up on stilts and make it like Venice Italy...
Actually FEMA's projections for a cat4/5 has always been 50,000+ dead. I know this is a ed up thing to say but I honestly think they don't expected this many people to 1) stay or 2) survive.I suppose they would needed a levee behind a levee behind a levee.
But they did a cost-benefit analysis and decided that building a system to contain a Category 4 hurricane was too expensive compared to the complete destruction of the 35th largest city in the United States, the displacement of 1.4 million people, and the disruption of commerce for America's largest port for the forseeable future.
Well, take into consideration that this wasn't a true Cat 5 strike. It was more like a Cat 3 with a Cat 5 storm surge. A true Cat 5 would have killed many of these survivors, so you may be right on that.
yeah it is very ed up when you put it that way
UPDATE
Important update to all those who were, like me, aghast, shocked and disillusioned that Singapore was having to send us 3 Chinooks to help with the rescue.....everybody settle down....it turns out those Chinooks and their pilots were stationed at Ft. Hood.. where they probably receive training from our badass U.S. military. Phewwww. My inflated, jingoistic sense of American pride and superiority is restored (partially).
We're number 1! We're number 1! We're number 1!
Last edited by Jelly; 09-03-2005 at 06:24 PM.
82nd airborne troops downtown now... lots of them.
You can tell by the paratroop helmets.
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