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    Even if Ukraine joins EU soon, it will take years before foreigners have consistent access to the Far-East. Yah it will remain this borderless area with continued skirmishes.
    I'm not sure what is going to be harder... Ukraine joining the EU or Ukraine joining NATO.

    Ukraine is an agricultural power that is going to want a huge share of the EU ag subsidies that are extremely politically sensitive. That alone could derail things without a major compromise.

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    I'm not sure what is going to be harder... Ukraine joining the EU or Ukraine joining NATO.

    Ukraine is an agricultural power that is going to want a huge share of the EU ag subsidies that are extremely politically sensitive. That alone could derail things without a major compromise.
    On 4 hands & 4 knees Biden & Blinken will crawl in & beg 'er done.

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    Better off lol

    Poland deserves so much better than you.
    Polish-Nationalist viewpoint would be split up Ukraine and give us back Lviv


    "Ukraine was part of the Polish state for longer than it was inside Russia – and this is key to understanding why Ukrainians are different from Russians. In other words, it is impossible to comprehend Ukraine's history without examining the impact of both Poland and Russia."

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    Polish-Nationalist viewpoint would be split up Ukraine and give us back Lviv
    You sir are phony rubbish.

    If only something was believable about you.

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    You sir are phony rubbish.

    If only something was believable about you.


    During/after WW2 we lost the Gray and gained the Red. Soviet decision.

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    Haha. It's about finding a fair resolution. Not hating or kissing.

    Except for $$$, there is little gained from including Ukraine in NATO today. Just instigates neighboring nations.

    Joining EU is good enough. Protection and allows rebuilding (West buying everything)
    There is plenty to gain from Ukraine in NATO. They have one of the strongest armies in Europe, if not the strongest, and certainly the most experienced. Only one "neighboring nation" would be "instigated" and their opinion on this issue does not matter.

    EU membership is far harder to complete than NATO and lets not forget all this started over path to EU membership in 2014, NATO was never even considered back then, so that would be just as "instigating" to their ty neighbor.

    The land is not Russian, there is nothing to "return" to them. They have plenty of their own land.

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    There is plenty to gain from Ukraine in NATO. They have one of the strongest armies in Europe, if not the strongest, and certainly the most experienced. Only one "neighboring nation" would be "instigated" and their opinion on this issue does not matter.

    EU membership is far harder to complete than NATO and lets not forget all this started over path to EU membership in 2014, NATO was never even considered back then, so that would be just as "instigating" to their ty neighbor.

    The land is not Russian, there is nothing to "return" to them. They have plenty of their own land.
    Horse .

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    Polish-Nationalist viewpoint would be split up Ukraine and give us back Lviv


    "Ukraine was part of the Polish state for longer than it was inside Russia – and this is key to understanding why Ukrainians are different from Russians. In other words, it is impossible to comprehend Ukraine's history without examining the impact of both Poland and Russia."
    (They) don't & won't hear it, Frosty. If (they) ain't willing to acknowledge Nazi's in there they sure as won't entertain your claim that Poland owned Ukraine. Thank Christ, it's over the Internet, otherwise they'd be on your front door stoop.

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    Exactly. No one here said it.
    I never heard anyone say it, Ukraine, NATO, etc. Except hater with his strawman.

    "3-5 days" though

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    "Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU), has told The Economist that the Ukrainian Defence Forces might manage to break Russia's land corridor with occupied Crimea before the onset of winter. In desperation, the Russians have deployed their reserves prematurely."



    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/18/7420234/
    that's not "crimea by fall". that's 1 guy saying they hope to break the land bridge before winter, and you probably don't even know what that is.

    nice strawman though
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    that's not "crimea by fall". that's 1 guy saying they hope to break the land bridge before winter, and you probably don't even know what that is.

    nice strawman though

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    How it Started: "Crimea by Fall!!"

    How its going: "Crimea by 2025!!"



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    no. Ukraine in the EU and NATO in less than 5 years. Fast track.

    Russia gets the all the way out. If we are lucky it decolonizes.
    Ukraine ir like 25 years behind the poorest EU regions. And that was before the war. No way they will join EU in 5 years. The amount of corruption there is mindblowing.

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    How it Started: "Crimea by Fall!!"

    How its going: "Crimea by 2025!!"


    How it started: "3-5 days!"

    How is it going now, hater?

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    How it started: "3-5 days!"

    How is it going now, hater?
    "Rubble will be rublles"
    "Running out of tanks"
    "Ran out of missiles yesterday"
    "Using shovels"
    "Using refrigerator chips on their missiles"




    Going pretty pretty pretty well niglet

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    [lazy attempt to pwn the libs]
    There are so many rotting russian war dead around bakhmut, that you can find the area by smell alone, for MILES around.

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    Rubles, gold, bitcoin good

    Dollars, euro no good



    Ruble at 98 to a dollar.

    Nowhere to go but down. Hilarious watching India get a ton of free oil because they deposited their rupee payments in bank that won't transfer the funds to RUS because of the sanctions.

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    There are so many rotting russian war dead around bakhmut, that you can find the area by smell alone, for MILES around.
    Biden killed 400 thousand Ukranians.

    Ce la vi

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