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    Anything pro Manafort.

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    old man yells at cloud in court

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    Do you want to bet your MAGA hat collection on that assumption Chris?

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    Do you want to bet your MAGA hat collection on that assumption Chris?
    I'm looking forward to the fallout on this forum if Newt is right

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    I'm looking forward to the fallout on this forum if Newt is right
    right about this?

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    I'm looking forward to the fallout on this forum if Newt is right
    Which Newt are you talking about?

    He played both sides just like hater does.

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    I'm looking forward to the fallout on this forum if Newt is right
    Suppose he does. Manafort has another trial to get through.

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    I'm guessing this was before he read this:

    https://gohmert.house.gov/news/do ...umentID=398634


    I'm giving Newt the benefit of the doubt on that, and saying he was clearly misinformed/uninformed at the time.

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    I'm giving Newt the benefit of the doubt.
    I hope your faith is strong, Chris.

    2:22


    Trump is not....no one is smart enough to take on Mueller.

    Newt catching himself before he says what we all already know.

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    A Theory of Trump Kompromat

    Why the President is so nice to Putin, even when Putin might not want him to be.

    There is no need to assume that Trump was a formal agent of Russian intelligence to make sense of Trump’s solicitousness toward Putin.

    he thinks it is likely that the President believes the Russians have something on him. “He’s never said a bad word about Putin,” Darden said. “He’s exercised a degree of self-control with respect to Russia that he doesn’t with anything else.”

    kompromat is routinely used throughout the former Soviet Union to curry favor, improve negotiated outcomes, and sway opinion.

    Intelligence services, businesspeople, and political figures everywhere exploit gossip and damaging information.

    However, Darden argues, kompromat has a uniquely powerful role in the former Soviet Union,

    where the practice is so pervasive,

    he coined the term “blackmail state” to describe the way of governance.

    Darden believes it is unlikely that sexual kompromat would be effective on Trump.

    another common form of kompromat—proof of financial crimes—could be more politically and personally damaging.

    some of these deals bear many of the warning signs of money laundering and other financial crimes.

    Trump acted with impunity, conducting minimal corporate due diligence and working with people whom few other American businesspeople would consider fit partners.

    If, however, someone had evidence that proved financial crimes and shared it

    with, say, the special counsel,
    Robert Mueller, other American law-enforcement officials, or the press,

    it could significantly damage Trump’s business, his family, and his Presidency.

    Ledeneva said that the key to understanding Trump’s interaction with sistema is to look at the people with whom he did business. “

    Trump never dealt with anybody close to the Kremlin, close to Putin,” she said.

    “Or even many Russians.”

    Trump’s business deals, she told me, were with tertiary figures.

    If there truly is damaging kompromat on Trump, it could well be in the hands of Trump’s business partners, or even in those of their rivals.

    it is possible that there is kompromat in the hands of several different business groups in the former Soviet Union.

    Each would have bits and pieces of damaging information and might have found subtle (or
    not so subtle) ways to communicate that fact to both Trump and Putin.

    Putin would likely have gathered some of that material, but he would have known that he couldn’t get everything.

    each actor in sistema faces near-constant uncertainty about his status, aware that others could well destroy him.

    a decade or so ago, Trump, naïve, covetous, and struggling for cash, may have laundered money for a business partner from the former Soviet Union or engaged in some other financial crime.

    This placed him, unawares, squarely within sistema,

    He fears there is kompromat out there—maybe a lot of it—but

    he doesn’t know precisely what it is, who has it, or what might set them off.

    “Under Putin, sistema has become a method for making deals among businesses, powerful players, and the people.

    Business has not taken over the state, nor vice versa;

    the two have merged in a union of total and seamless corruption.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/...rump-kompromat

    "have merged in a union of total and seamless corruption"

    ... describes exactly the American oligarchy merged with, controlling with vast wealth, all three branches of Federal govt



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    Do you want to bet your MAGA hat collection on that assumption Chris?
    LOL Gingrich

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    Judge Ellis Loses Patience with Mueller Prosecutors and Ends Court
    Early Over Screw-Up
    https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judg...ajor-screw-up/

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    eh, you'll probably be anti-Ellis too if things don't go your way.

    judges will be prickly,seems to me both sides are making too much of it..
    Indeed. The guy just wants his courtroom run the way he wants it. Curmudgeons are like that.

    The overall strength of the case against Manafort is pretty good. They have his real bank account statements, they have emails of him doctoring things, and they have what he reported both to the IRS and the banks on his applications. X =/= Y, therefore guilty. The witnesses are there merely to flesh out and corroborate those very damning bits of evidence.

    Newts risible analysis aside, the odds are not good for Manafort.

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    Judge Ellis Loses Patience with Mueller Prosecutors and Ends Court
    Early Over Screw-Up
    https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judg...ajor-screw-up/

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    Indeed. The guy just wants his courtroom run the way he wants it. Curmudgeons are like that.

    The overall strength of the case against Manafort is pretty good. They have his real bank account statements, they have emails of him doctoring things, and they have what he reported both to the IRS and the banks on his applications. X =/= Y, therefore guilty. The witnesses are there merely to flesh out and corroborate those very damning bits of evidence.

    Newts risible analysis aside, the odds are not good for Manafort.
    Manafort is ed, but what part of him being ed ties Trump to Russian election collusion?

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    Manafort is ed, but what part of him being ed ties Trump to Russian election collusion?
    How does Podesta tie in with Hillary going to jail?

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    Oh and the guy in charge of the campaign that conspired with Russia has everything to do with Trump.

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    Manafort is ed, but what part of him being ed ties Trump to Russian election collusion?

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    Manafort is ed, but what part of him being ed ties Trump to Russian election collusion?
    That is what he will be given the opportunity to give to Mueller in exchange for not being given a life sentence. Once he is convicted his accommodations will not improve.

    Given there was collusion, and obviously so, to any who doesn't suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Whatever Manafort, as Trump campaign manager has on your cult leader, may buy Manafort some relief from being punished for his crimes.

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    That is what he will be given the opportunity to give to Mueller in exchange for not being given a life sentence. Once he is convicted his accommodations will not improve.

    Given there was collusion, and obviously so, to any who doesn't suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Whatever Manafort, as Trump campaign manager has on your cult leader, may buy Manafort some relief from being punished for his crimes.
    What was Manafort’s role in the election collusion with Russia. Provide the evidence with all relevant links.

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    How does Podesta tie in with Hillary going to jail?
    A dodge and a ding in only 10 words

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    What was Manafort’s role in the election collusion with Russia. Provide the evidence with all relevant links.
    Campaign manager of the campaign that is accused of colluding. TSA

    Can't spin that

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