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    Neither Ball nor Ingram can shoot. They are awful fits and DeRozan is 10x the player they are.

    The decision is on Sabonis for Indy, not Turner. Whether Turner has made all star or not he’s right there. He’s locked.
    They're at least willing. Ball showed some progress last season, while Ingram shot it well 2 seasons ago, albeit on low volume. They are also significantly younger than DeRozan. Like I said, I'm not a fan either, but they're the supposed nucleus of the trade, so the real debate is DeRozan vs whatever other "high level player" they can get for #4.

    It's either. They'll have to choose one and their preference is not yet known. Maybe they don't really care, so long as they can parlay one into a high level asset and fill a significant need elsewhere, like this potentially could.

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    Rumor is it's likely either #4 or Kuzma, not both . . .

    Lakers receive: Davis
    Pelicans receive: DeRozan, Ingram, #6 (via Suns)
    Suns receive: Ball
    Spurs receive: #4 (via Lakers)

    Good chance Garland makes it to #6 in this scenario and that might interest the Pelicans, but with Garland-Holiday-Ingram from 1-3, again DeRozan doesn't fit, at least not long term. Plus, with a point forward like Williamson and to a lesser extent Ingram, they need shooting surrounding them or at least someone willing to shoot 3s in volume, like Ball.
    Agree but just thinking of scenario where NOLA demand another 1st (as opposed to Kuz himself). Looks like BOS is engaged and can drive up the cost for LAL.

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    I don't like Derozan but if all the Spurs can net is the 4th pick I'd be kinda disappointed

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    I don't think Griffin goes for DeMar.
    Fair, but what other solid cost controlled player are they getting? I mean maybe Beal for 4 would be preferable but does WAS do that? Doubt it.

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    I don't like Derozan but if all the Spurs can net is the 4th pick I'd be kinda disappointed
    And the capspace for other parts, read, Bojan.

    So effectively Leonard deal turns into:
    Jakob, 4, 29, and Bojan.

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    I don't like Derozan but if all the Spurs can net is the 4th pick I'd be kinda disappointed
    cutting demar outright would make the team better

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    I don't see Griff being interested in DeMar given that he doesn't shoot the 3 at all. Would you trade DeRozan to Charlotte for Batum, 12th pick and one of their young players? Batum had a bad year but he's still a better 3 point shooter and defender than DD. Could Pop resurrect his career?

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    I don't see Griff being interested in DeMar given that he doesn't shoot the 3 at all. Would you trade DeRozan to Charlotte for Batum, 12th pick and one of their young players? Batum had a bad year but he's still a better 3 point shooter and defender than DD. Could Pop resurrect his career?
    Batum + bridges + 12 would be tempting but I'd probably still pass

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    I don't like Derozan but if all the Spurs can net is the 4th pick I'd be kinda disappointed
    This is a virtual pipedream. Not only to clear in excess of $20M to pursue Bogdanovic, as CGD said, but to get the theoretical ideal fit, in Hunter, to add to the young guards (or they could potentially select Culver and squeeze the Cavaliers for another asset to swap).


    I don't see Griff being interested in DeMar given that he doesn't shoot the 3 at all. Would you trade DeRozan to Charlotte for Batum, 12th pick and one of their young players? Batum had a bad year but he's still a better 3 point shooter and defender than DD. Could Pop resurrect his career?
    I would, but "one of their young players" would have to be either Bridges (I doubt they'd do this) or a top 10-14 protected '21 1st. Monk, Bacon, Hernangomez, Graham, don't cut it.

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    And, unsurprisingly, it's the old, balding, slow as one in Indy.

    This FO is so out of touch. Then again, it's run by the egotistical mother er who preferred that his generational talent only averaged 20 ppg...


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    And the capspace for other parts, read, Bojan.

    So effectively Leonard deal turns into:
    Jakob, 4, 29, and Bojan.
    Make it happen RC

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    Is PATFO gonna offer demar the max after asking kawhi to take a pay cut??
    No. I think DD signs a deal like LMA and it starts early, giving cap relief next season.

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    Please stop bringing up batum. He's just about done as a starter.

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    if this is true than the Spurs are realizinig what a lot of us have been saying ever since DeRozan got here. Like I said for the past 4 months or so: Bogdanovic + any of Thad Young/Marcus Morris/Ariza would give the team a higher ceiling than having DeRozan for the same money.

    Not only would the defense be better, but the spacing also. And think about this: Bogdanovic doesn't have a high usage rate. He's an offball player. DeRozan on the other hand needs the ball in his hand and messes up spacing. So Spurs would add Bogdanovic who can produce the same amount of points, while also giving Aldridge more room down low and the DeRozan usage would go to the young guys, i.e. Murray, White and Walker to some extent. This makes a lot of sense being that the Spurs could add another small ball PF (Morris, Young, Ariza).

    This probably goes back to the 2018 team which Aldridge carried to basically the same record as the 2019 team with DeRozan.

    Now if the Spurs could get #4 that would be huge, but it would be nice if they can also get Kuzma or somebody like TJ Warren. Although I wouldn't like us to help LeBron getting AD, but #4 + a young forward for DeRozan would be good compensation. On that note, ain't Stanley Johnson a NOLA RFA? PATFO has liked him for years

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    You guys are talking like it's a done deal that Bogdanovic is coming if we can make the room.

    I would be disappointed if all we ended up with was only the 4th pick for Derozan. But I'd still do it. Just sucks thinking spurs traded an MVP player for essentially a 4th, a backup bigman, and a 29th pick. But I suppose I need to be realistic. Few teams make sense for Derozan and I doubt any are going to pony up for him

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    DeMar for the 4th pick is a no brainer but guys pop trading trading DeMar for a rookie will never happen lol

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    I think the Wiz could trade Beal, giving their situation

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    I think the Wiz could trade Beal, giving their situation
    Lets pray they dont

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    You guys are talking like it's a done deal that Bogdanovic is coming if we can make the room.

    I would be disappointed if all we ended up with was only the 4th pick for Derozan. But I'd still do it. Just sucks thinking spurs traded an MVP player for essentially a 4th, a backup bigman, and a 29th pick. But I suppose I need to be realistic. Few teams make sense for Derozan and I doubt any are going to pony up for him
    If they dont get their man or a plan B like Vucevec or Hortford as a LMA replacement, I’m sure they’ll get some value out of that space even if it means taking on a bad deal for a decent future asset (e.g., Butum for a future first).

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    And the capspace for other parts, read, Bojan.

    So effectively Leonard deal turns into:
    Jakob, 4, 29, and Bojan.
    So effectively George Hill deal turns into Davis Bertans, Jakob, #4, #29, and Bojan.

    A nice haul.

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    Look, the biggest hurdle is that this type of deal would mean Pop is aiding LA in getting AD

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    Spurs are not known for big moves like this. It aint happening. Ill go by their track record of keeping players vs trading them.

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    Spurs are not known for big moves like this. It aint happening. Ill go by their track record of keeping players vs trading them.
    Yeah in the days of the big 3 because all you needed were plug and play players. Hopefully they get with the times and start making moves because there's still a lot of holes and a glut of guards with some redundancy.

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    I don't see any scenario where Davis goes to the Lakers without the 4th pick being included in a trade to new Orleans. If any pic is included in a three way deal with Phoenix, the best the spurs could do is the 6th pick.

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    I'll be ecstatic if Spurs can flip DeRozan for the 4th pick. Give me some hope of a bright future for the Spurs.

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